Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle

GTripp0012 · 03-03-2013, 07:00 PM

On McClain, the market for 3-4 inside backers is a huge sellers market this year. Huge. The fact that there is a 24 year old one who will hit the market at some point this year and can (but wont be) be claimed is really helpful to a team like the Redskins, who can just free up cap space and plug and play. His cap number is higher than Fletcher's but the difference is you can restrcture his contract easy, fletcher is too tricky to restructure because of the retirement card.

CultBrennan59 · 03-03-2013, 07:28 PM

The only thing I can guarantee, is that no matter we all say we should do on this thread or what we throw out there, we always do a move or two of complete shock.

How many of us predicted we'd sign Garcon at this point last year. My memories kind of faded, but I don't remember SS saying we'd get him or we were even interested in him at this point last year.

NC_Skins · 03-03-2013, 08:02 PM

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Kentwan Balmer: Let Go- what did he do here?

Is this guy still on our Reserve List? If so, why? He left the team last off-season.

Schneed10 · 03-03-2013, 08:17 PM

I dunno. I think the tendency for us Redskins fans over the years has become 'what changes can we make to get better'. That made sense when we weren't very good, but that's not the case now. I think we're not used to it.

With the character of this team and the leader we have in RG3, personnel moves are not the #1 way to get better, in my opinion. It's just the opposite, it's keeping them together, and letting Griffin continue to inspire them through work and effort and grit to get better.

We complain about our line and sure there are ways it can improve, but we were one of the top offenses in the league this year. Our biggest problem was pass defense, and just by allowing Meriweather and Orakpo to get healthy, we immediately take some pressure off that problem.

Continuity, continuity, continuity. Change for its own sake is not the answer for me. We were 10-6, and if the season were longer I don't think our loss total would have changed. There's something about this mix of players we have, it just worked. I wouldn't be eager to let Kory L go, he was integral in a new franchise rushing record.

We can improve just by letting Griffin grow. Let's keep a long term view and keep the financial flexibility. Remember, in three years Griffin is going to command a contract in the Manning, Rodgers, Flacco tier.

MTK · 03-03-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

2nd round tender on Jackson, original round tender on Paulsen and on Young. No tender on Banks or Baker. Used $5.1 million in cap space.

Fletcher waived/retired, Hall waived/released, Carriker waived/released, Meriweather waived/released. Saves $15.5 million in cap.

Josh Morgan released with a June 1st designation, saving $3.3 million on the cap.

Lichtensteiger re-signed five years, $21 million, $5.5 million guaranteed for skill, cap, and injury. Five year deal with a player void option after year 3. (Cap number $1.9 million)

Adam Jones signed, 2 yrs/$8 million, with $3.5 million guaranteed for skill, and cap, but two full years for injury. Five year deal with a player void option after two years (cap number: $2.5 million)

Greg Toler signed, 5 yrs/$28 million, with $9.75 million guaranteed for injury, skill, and cap, and an additional $3 million for injury. (Cap number: $3.25 million).

Claim Rolando McClain off waivers from Oakland and immediately restructure contact, converting base salary in 2013 to a signing bonus amortized over five years (but voiding after year two) (Cap number: $2.1 million).

Fred Davis re-signed for 1 year/$2.25 million.

Total pre draft cap savings: $18.8 million
Total pre draft cap savings: $16.85 million

Note that there would still be contract restructuring in order to stay under the cap, with having to add in the ballpark of 12 contracts to the payroll through the draft etc. But these moves fix most of the issues, leaving only safety for the draft.

Are you rolling with Hankerson as your #2?

Jones is interesting but I'm not sure I trust him. It probably makes the most sense for him and the Bengals if he stays there.

Toler is on our radar from what I've heard.

Not sure I like McClain's off the field drama.

HailGreen28 · 03-03-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

The only thing I can guarantee, is that no matter we all say we should do on this thread or what we throw out there, we always do a move or two of complete shock.

How many of us predicted we'd sign Garcon at this point last year. My memories kind of faded, but I don't remember SS saying we'd get him or we were even interested in him at this point last year.

Yeah, I love it. Under Snyderrato we'd go after the same obvious guy talked about on ESPN that 31 other teams had interest in. And we'd get him (by hideously overpaying).

Now, Shanallen are more "under the radar". Finding hidden gems. Pretty big difference in hype between signing Pierrre Garcon and signing guys like Vincent Jackson, Colston or Manningham.

Now if only Garcon can stay healthy. Last season we were 9-2 with him, and 1-5 without him.

GTripp0012 · 03-03-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Are you rolling with Hankerson as your #2?

Jones is interesting but I'm not sure I trust him. It probably makes the most sense for him and the Bengals if he stays there.

Toler is on our radar from what I've heard.

Not sure I like McClain's off the field drama.

Hankersons my no. 2, yeah, but I'm keeping Moss in the fold to play out his contract, which kind of limits Morgan's field time anyway.

SFREDSKIN · 03-03-2013, 09:43 PM

Not resign Alexander? Put the crack pipe down, he's the heart of the ST, a valuable jack of all trades and a respected leader/captain. Rather see Hall, Moss, Grossman, Brown, Carriker get cut. Alexander has earned the right to be a Redskin for life!!!!

CrazyCanuck · 03-03-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

The same could be done with Orakpo but his $3.5M figure doesn't bother me as much as Wilson's $5.3.

Just did an update. No major changes but a few guys numbers got bumped up for different reasons.

I now have Orakpo at $5.1M, TW at $8M, and Carriker at $4M.

Total Cap Room = $4M over.

skinsfaninok · 03-03-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Not resign Alexander? Put the crack pipe down, he's the heart of the ST, a valuable jack of all trades and a respected leader/captain. Rather see Hall, Moss, Grossman, Brown, Carriker get cut. Alexander has earned the right to be a Redskin for life!!!!

Zo also stepped up huge on D

SFREDSKIN · 03-03-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Zo also stepped up huge on D

I'm shocked that people don't appreciate this guy, a class act just like RGIII, Morris and a great all around player willing to do anything for the team. He' s one my favorite Redskins and would be extremely pissed if he's not resigned.

Ruhskins · 03-03-2013, 10:57 PM

Given our cap situation, we can't afford to have an expensive ST player. Unless Zo becomes a starting ILB next to Riley, we should let him get paid somewhere else. Unless he REALLY wants to, I don't think is in the position of giving us hometown discounts.

skinsfaninok · 03-03-2013, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'm shocked that people don't appreciate this guy, a class act just like RGIII, Morris and a great all around player willing to do anything for the team. He' s one my favorite Redskins and would be extremely pissed if he's not resigned.

Yeah plus he has earned the chance to play for a winning redskins team, after all the bad years he's been through.

Ruhskins · 03-03-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah plus he has earned the chance to play for a winning redskins team, after all the bad years he's been through.

Zo has earned his chance to get a better contract period, I just feel that it won't be with the Redskins.

SBXVII · 03-04-2013, 10:14 AM

I would file the law suit. See what we can keep or recoup.

Then I'd look at replacing the aged players. Out with the old in with the new and young. Keep getting younger and faster.

I'd look to rework some key expensive contracts pushing this years money into next year with the intent to free up more space to try and pick up some key FA's. I'd construct the contracts so that they get decent money this year and next year their payday kicks in. Then pray the FA accepts the offer.

I'd look for:

Tackle (RT)
CB
FS
WR- maybe if there is a viable one in FA

otherwise I'd look to the draft to pick up along with these... FS, CB, TE, RB/FB, RT, WR, DE, LB. Not in any specific order. Then bring in a few RT's, FS's, and CB's as UDFA's.

03-03-2013, 07:00 PM	#16
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	On McClain, the market for 3-4 inside backers is a huge sellers market this year. Huge. The fact that there is a 24 year old one who will hit the market at some point this year and can (but wont be) be claimed is really helpful to a team like the Redskins, who can just free up cap space and plug and play. His cap number is higher than Fletcher's but the difference is you can restrcture his contract easy, fletcher is too tricky to restructure because of the retirement card. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-03-2013, 07:28 PM	#17
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle The only thing I can guarantee, is that no matter we all say we should do on this thread or what we throw out there, we always do a move or two of complete shock. How many of us predicted we'd sign Garcon at this point last year. My memories kind of faded, but I don't remember SS saying we'd get him or we were even interested in him at this point last year. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

03-03-2013, 08:17 PM	#19
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,439	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle I dunno. I think the tendency for us Redskins fans over the years has become 'what changes can we make to get better'. That made sense when we weren't very good, but that's not the case now. I think we're not used to it. With the character of this team and the leader we have in RG3, personnel moves are not the #1 way to get better, in my opinion. It's just the opposite, it's keeping them together, and letting Griffin continue to inspire them through work and effort and grit to get better. We complain about our line and sure there are ways it can improve, but we were one of the top offenses in the league this year. Our biggest problem was pass defense, and just by allowing Meriweather and Orakpo to get healthy, we immediately take some pressure off that problem. Continuity, continuity, continuity. Change for its own sake is not the answer for me. We were 10-6, and if the season were longer I don't think our loss total would have changed. There's something about this mix of players we have, it just worked. I wouldn't be eager to let Kory L go, he was integral in a new franchise rushing record. We can improve just by letting Griffin grow. Let's keep a long term view and keep the financial flexibility. Remember, in three years Griffin is going to command a contract in the Manning, Rodgers, Flacco tier. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

03-03-2013, 09:43 PM	#23
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle Not resign Alexander? Put the crack pipe down, he's the heart of the ST, a valuable jack of all trades and a respected leader/captain. Rather see Hall, Moss, Grossman, Brown, Carriker get cut. Alexander has earned the right to be a Redskin for life!!!! __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth Last edited by SFREDSKIN; 03-03-2013 at 09:50 PM.

03-03-2013, 10:57 PM	#27
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,368	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle Given our cap situation, we can't afford to have an expensive ST player. Unless Zo becomes a starting ILB next to Riley, we should let him get paid somewhere else. Unless he REALLY wants to, I don't think is in the position of giving us hometown discounts. __________________ R.I.P. #21

03-04-2013, 10:14 AM	#30
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle I would file the law suit. See what we can keep or recoup. Then I'd look at replacing the aged players. Out with the old in with the new and young. Keep getting younger and faster. I'd look to rework some key expensive contracts pushing this years money into next year with the intent to free up more space to try and pick up some key FA's. I'd construct the contracts so that they get decent money this year and next year their payday kicks in. Then pray the FA accepts the offer. I'd look for: Tackle (RT) CB FS WR- maybe if there is a viable one in FA otherwise I'd look to the draft to pick up along with these... FS, CB, TE, RB/FB, RT, WR, DE, LB. Not in any specific order. Then bring in a few RT's, FS's, and CB's as UDFA's.

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