Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft?

BigSKINBauer · 03-12-2005, 02:42 PM

take em if we get him cheep but he is owed 8 mil next year w/ a 2.5 bonus how cheep is he gonna come?

jdlea · 03-12-2005, 03:07 PM

I was pulling for both Arrington and Taylor. I loved them both coming out of college. I usually do perfer D over offense

Defensewins · 03-12-2005, 03:22 PM

If Brown signs cheap, sign him and make him a pass rush specialist. He should not be a full time player, that way he can get healthy and stay healthy. Gibbs has experience with D lineman like this, they did a great job with Jumpy Geathers back in the day.

drew54 · 03-12-2005, 03:38 PM

Well our front office didnt have much of a choice in the matter since Brown was off the board. We would have drafted him if the Browns would have taken LA or anyone else for that matter.

I think we give him a shot. Sign him to about a 1 mill deal and see what happens.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-12-2005, 03:42 PM

There seems to be a bit of revisionist history happening here.

When Brown, Arrington and Samuels were the first three picks, Cleveland had the first pick. So it was Cleveland that made the decision for the Redskins. Even if Vinnie and Danny wanted Brown, they couldn't have gotten himn because Cleveland and Brown had agreed to a deal BEFORE draft day.

Their only "genius" was not talking themselves out of the "leftovers" that Cleveland gave them. Turns out the "leftovers" have performed better than the overall #1 pick, but that was due to nothing that Vinnie and Danny Boy did.

BTW, the Browns also had the overall #1 pick and took Tim Couch with that pick and the next guy taken was - - - Donovan McNabb. The Browns might be a significantly better team today if they had taken McNabb and Arrington instead of Couch and Brown!

drew54 · 03-12-2005, 04:56 PM

And Atlanta shouldn't have traded Brett Favre. But hindsight is a bitch.

jdlea · 03-12-2005, 07:14 PM

That's funny, I remember the Skins being happy that the Browns took Courtney Brown and not LaVar. They wanted LA all along.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-12-2005, 08:30 PM

jdlea:

What would you expect the Redskins to say after they took the #2 and #3 players in the draft? Do you really think it would be even remotely possible for them to say:

"Damn! What we really wanted was Courtney Brown but we got screwed by Cleveland and we had to settle for stale leftovers or sloppy seconds."

HIghly unlikely! That hardly fits with flying the guys into FedEx on helicopters so there could be a huge press conference with Danny Boy front and center. Oh, do you remember that Danny Boy said at that time that Redskins never hold out and are never late for training camp. Well DAnhy Boy did, And well, Lavar was "late".

Like I said, there's a lot of revisionist history goin' on here...

Defensewins · 03-12-2005, 08:49 PM

Truth is it was dumb luck that the FO and Gofer boy Cerrato were in postion to draft Lavar Arrington and Samuels.
The year before then-general manager Charlie Casserly gave up the fifth selection in the first round of the 1999 to Mike Ditka and the Saints for two #1's, two #3's, a #4,5,6 and 7 round picks. The famous Ricky Williams for all my draft picks trade. Casserly then traded the Saints 1999 #1 (9th overall) #3 and #5 to the Chicago Bears for their 1999 first-round pick (7th overall) and picked Champ Bailey.
With these two trades, Casserly set up the Redskins to have three high first round picks in the 2000 draft and got us Champ Bailey. Then the FO, in all his genious fired Casserly and hired his lap boy Cerrato. Could you imagine how Casserly must have felt?
The FO and Cerrato stumbled into this great situation (dumb luck). Then Cleveland helped us along by picking Brown.

John Hasbrouck · 03-12-2005, 10:24 PM

Brown is far to risky, injury prone

Yellow31 · 03-12-2005, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Hasbrouck

Brown is far to risky, injury prone

If he is cheap who cares if he only plays 6 games, gives the skins a couple sacks and everyone is happy

diehardskin2982 · 03-13-2005, 03:34 PM

the brown, arrington connection reunited would be awesome. If they became half as good as they were at pennn state I would be happy

mooby · 03-13-2005, 10:18 PM

yeah but still, i don't remember how we got the 2nd and 3rd overall picks in the first place. we went to the playoffs the previous year, so how did we get them. imagine if atlanta still had brett favre and he was their starting quarterback. where would michael vick be?

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-13-2005, 10:26 PM

Clemons gave us a couple sacks and hardly played at all last year. I'm happy with that. We don't need Brown.

mooby · 03-13-2005, 10:29 PM

yeah clemons only played in like six games yet he posted three sacks and a few tackles. he would be a great backup outside linebacker. but, to bring it back up, how did we get the second and third picks? and just imagine what it would've been like if atlanta still had brett favre. who would vick be playing for?

03-12-2005, 02:42 PM	#16
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 37 Posts: 5,688	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? take em if we get him cheep but he is owed 8 mil next year w/ a 2.5 bonus how cheep is he gonna come?

03-12-2005, 03:07 PM	#17
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? I was pulling for both Arrington and Taylor. I loved them both coming out of college. I usually do perfer D over offense

03-12-2005, 03:22 PM	#18
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? If Brown signs cheap, sign him and make him a pass rush specialist. He should not be a full time player, that way he can get healthy and stay healthy. Gibbs has experience with D lineman like this, they did a great job with Jumpy Geathers back in the day.

03-12-2005, 03:38 PM	#19
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? Well our front office didnt have much of a choice in the matter since Brown was off the board. We would have drafted him if the Browns would have taken LA or anyone else for that matter. I think we give him a shot. Sign him to about a 1 mill deal and see what happens.

03-12-2005, 03:42 PM	#20
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? There seems to be a bit of revisionist history happening here. When Brown, Arrington and Samuels were the first three picks, Cleveland had the first pick. So it was Cleveland that made the decision for the Redskins. Even if Vinnie and Danny wanted Brown, they couldn't have gotten himn because Cleveland and Brown had agreed to a deal BEFORE draft day. Their only "genius" was not talking themselves out of the "leftovers" that Cleveland gave them. Turns out the "leftovers" have performed better than the overall #1 pick, but that was due to nothing that Vinnie and Danny Boy did. BTW, the Browns also had the overall #1 pick and took Tim Couch with that pick and the next guy taken was - - - Donovan McNabb. The Browns might be a significantly better team today if they had taken McNabb and Arrington instead of Couch and Brown! __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-12-2005, 04:56 PM	#21
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? And Atlanta shouldn't have traded Brett Favre. But hindsight is a bitch.

03-12-2005, 07:14 PM	#22
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? That's funny, I remember the Skins being happy that the Browns took Courtney Brown and not LaVar. They wanted LA all along.

03-12-2005, 08:30 PM	#23
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? jdlea: What would you expect the Redskins to say after they took the #2 and #3 players in the draft? Do you really think it would be even remotely possible for them to say: "Damn! What we really wanted was Courtney Brown but we got screwed by Cleveland and we had to settle for stale leftovers or sloppy seconds." HIghly unlikely! That hardly fits with flying the guys into FedEx on helicopters so there could be a huge press conference with Danny Boy front and center. Oh, do you remember that Danny Boy said at that time that Redskins never hold out and are never late for training camp. Well DAnhy Boy did, And well, Lavar was "late". Like I said, there's a lot of revisionist history goin' on here... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-12-2005, 08:49 PM	#24
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? Truth is it was dumb luck that the FO and Gofer boy Cerrato were in postion to draft Lavar Arrington and Samuels. The year before then-general manager Charlie Casserly gave up the fifth selection in the first round of the 1999 to Mike Ditka and the Saints for two #1's, two #3's, a #4,5,6 and 7 round picks. The famous Ricky Williams for all my draft picks trade. Casserly then traded the Saints 1999 #1 (9th overall) #3 and #5 to the Chicago Bears for their 1999 first-round pick (7th overall) and picked Champ Bailey. With these two trades, Casserly set up the Redskins to have three high first round picks in the 2000 draft and got us Champ Bailey. Then the FO, in all his genious fired Casserly and hired his lap boy Cerrato. Could you imagine how Casserly must have felt? The FO and Cerrato stumbled into this great situation (dumb luck). Then Cleveland helped us along by picking Brown.

03-12-2005, 10:24 PM	#25
John Hasbrouck Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 180	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? Brown is far to risky, injury prone

03-13-2005, 03:34 PM	#27
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? the brown, arrington connection reunited would be awesome. If they became half as good as they were at pennn state I would be happy __________________ That got ugly fast

03-13-2005, 10:18 PM	#28
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? yeah but still, i don't remember how we got the 2nd and 3rd overall picks in the first place. we went to the playoffs the previous year, so how did we get them. imagine if atlanta still had brett favre and he was their starting quarterback. where would michael vick be? __________________ Hail to the Football Team

03-13-2005, 10:26 PM	#29
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? Clemons gave us a couple sacks and hardly played at all last year. I'm happy with that. We don't need Brown. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-13-2005, 10:29 PM	#30
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Flashback: Arrington vs. Brown: who do we draft? yeah clemons only played in like six games yet he posted three sacks and a few tackles. he would be a great backup outside linebacker. but, to bring it back up, how did we get the second and third picks? and just imagine what it would've been like if atlanta still had brett favre. who would vick be playing for? __________________ Hail to the Football Team

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