Brown & Howard both to the D?

Big C · 03-15-2005, 04:50 PM

defense needs to make more big plays tho. with a pass rusher that creates fumbles and pressure, leading to more ints, etc.

Big C · 03-15-2005, 04:50 PM

we only had 1 defensive td last year i believe, from pierce in the SF game...so def need more. if we want to be elite like the ravens, we need defensive scores to help the offense.

firstdown · 03-15-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

we only had 1 defensive td last year i believe, from pierce in the SF game...so def need more. if we want to be elite like the ravens, we need defensive scores to help the offense.

Thats about what or offence avg last year per game. Its nice to score on defence but if thats what we are looking for to win games it will be another long season.

BallsOut · 03-15-2005, 05:03 PM

Courtney brown at a good price would be huge for the defense. Not only would we not have to draft a DE but would give us two solid DE's assuming he and daniels stay healthy. Wether its mike williams or or another defensive player the signing of brown would be awesome.

wolfeskins · 03-15-2005, 05:38 PM

if the skins do sign brown i think it would definately be an interresting move. it's a gamble but if he's cheap, then i say go get him. he could really be just what the skins need. then with the first pick in the draft i would say it's either a wr or a cb.

SantanaMan · 03-15-2005, 05:54 PM

Darren Howard has reportedly just asked the Cowboys for a 6 yr, $33M deal with a $16M signing bonus!!!! I would say his asking price has just effectively let us know there is no chance he is heading to the Skins.

MTK · 03-15-2005, 07:19 PM

Even though Brown has been nothing but a walking wounded I still like the idea of taking a chance on him. He's not going to break the D if he doesn't work out, but if he does work out... the D could be damn scary!

GoSkins! · 03-15-2005, 07:56 PM

If we could add Brown into the mix, we could then concentrate on adding a quality DT, Corner, and TE in the draft. Trading Gardner may give us a good draft to build some quality depth at some critical positions.
I'm not even going to comment on Howard because of the money (but with Snyder... you never know)

Yellow31 · 03-15-2005, 08:59 PM

No way they get Howard too much cash, especially as thrifty as the skins have been this year. Brown should come cheap and he played with LA and his and Williams have the same agent, I am sure the agent has relayed a couple messages back and forth. Hopefully that will happen he can be better than any rookie if he stays healthy...

John Hasbrouck · 03-16-2005, 12:51 AM

I would rather we go to the draft for DE. Erasmus James for instance. I got a feeling we will pick a LB with the 9th pick.

That Guy · 03-16-2005, 04:14 PM

drafted DEs tend to take about 3 years to develop, so the impact of that pick wouldn't be immediate most likely.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-16-2005, 04:22 PM

If the New Orleans Saints agree to Howard for Gardner even up, then I'd suspect that Danny Boy had a very large caliber gun to the head of Saints' owner Tom "Boogie Boy" Benson during the negotiations.

I suspect that the asking price for Howard in terms of the deal he will command will be bigger than the deal given to Smoot or Pierce. That might make it difficult for the Skins to squeeze into the salary cap.

joecrisp · 03-16-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I think they need to spend our money on offense.

Actually, they've invested a fair amount of money in the offense this offseason, with the restructuring of Samuels' contract (which included a $15 million bonus), the signing of Casey Rabach ($5 million bonus) and David Patten ($3.5 million bonus), and the trade for Moss (who'll likely see a sizable bonus when the Skins give him a long-term deal-- supposedly with more total compensation than the deal Coles received 2 years ago).

When you take into account the money spent on Brunell and Portis last season, and factor in the cap hit from Coles' trade this season, it's hard to justify pouring more cap money into the offense.

The Skins are trying to make up for the losses of Pierce and Smoot on the defensive side, and they've needed to solidify the D-line for some time now, so I can see why they're pursuing defensive talent.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-16-2005, 10:24 PM

I'm down for just DRAFTING into the offense. No more FA signings (as if there WAS someone worthy to sign).

03-15-2005, 04:50 PM	#16
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? defense needs to make more big plays tho. with a pass rusher that creates fumbles and pressure, leading to more ints, etc. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-15-2005, 04:50 PM	#17
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? we only had 1 defensive td last year i believe, from pierce in the SF game...so def need more. if we want to be elite like the ravens, we need defensive scores to help the offense. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-15-2005, 05:03 PM	#19
BallsOut Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 44 Posts: 6	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? Courtney brown at a good price would be huge for the defense. Not only would we not have to draft a DE but would give us two solid DE's assuming he and daniels stay healthy. Wether its mike williams or or another defensive player the signing of brown would be awesome.

03-15-2005, 05:38 PM	#20
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? if the skins do sign brown i think it would definately be an interresting move. it's a gamble but if he's cheap, then i say go get him. he could really be just what the skins need. then with the first pick in the draft i would say it's either a wr or a cb.

03-15-2005, 05:54 PM	#21
SantanaMan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 224	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? Darren Howard has reportedly just asked the Cowboys for a 6 yr, $33M deal with a $16M signing bonus!!!! I would say his asking price has just effectively let us know there is no chance he is heading to the Skins.

03-15-2005, 07:19 PM	#22
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? Even though Brown has been nothing but a walking wounded I still like the idea of taking a chance on him. He's not going to break the D if he doesn't work out, but if he does work out... the D could be damn scary! __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-15-2005, 07:56 PM	#23
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 56 Posts: 1,587	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? If we could add Brown into the mix, we could then concentrate on adding a quality DT, Corner, and TE in the draft. Trading Gardner may give us a good draft to build some quality depth at some critical positions. I'm not even going to comment on Howard because of the money (but with Snyder... you never know) __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

03-15-2005, 08:59 PM	#24
Yellow31 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 125	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? No way they get Howard too much cash, especially as thrifty as the skins have been this year. Brown should come cheap and he played with LA and his and Williams have the same agent, I am sure the agent has relayed a couple messages back and forth. Hopefully that will happen he can be better than any rookie if he stays healthy...

03-16-2005, 12:51 AM	#25
John Hasbrouck Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 180	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? I would rather we go to the draft for DE. Erasmus James for instance. I got a feeling we will pick a LB with the 9th pick.

03-16-2005, 04:14 PM	#26
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? drafted DEs tend to take about 3 years to develop, so the impact of that pick wouldn't be immediate most likely.

03-16-2005, 04:22 PM	#27
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? If the New Orleans Saints agree to Howard for Gardner even up, then I'd suspect that Danny Boy had a very large caliber gun to the head of Saints' owner Tom "Boogie Boy" Benson during the negotiations. I suspect that the asking price for Howard in terms of the deal he will command will be bigger than the deal given to Smoot or Pierce. That might make it difficult for the Skins to squeeze into the salary cap. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-16-2005, 10:24 PM	#29
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Brown & Howard both to the D? I'm down for just DRAFTING into the offense. No more FA signings (as if there WAS someone worthy to sign). __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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