Rebuilding the Redskins

[jamf]

While I do think Whisenhut will be a HC with some team next year, I just don't get the appeal of hiring a guy that has a proven losing coaching record.
Whisenhut strikes me as the second coming of Norv Turner, A great coordinator but mediocre HC.

[diehardskin2982]

Jam F although Whisenhunt has a record of 45-51, He took a team in Arizona to the Superbowl as a HC, something Norv has never done. Ken has also developed QB's the likes of Kurt Warner, Big Ben, and currently Philip Rivers. A deep dive into his record shows that he only has two season as a HC below .500.

[jamf]

Warner won a superbowl and NFL MVP before he was ever "developed" by Whisenhut.
Rivers went to an AFC Championship game and 4 probowls before Whisenhut.

He is a solid OC but he doesn't deserve credit for developing Rivers and Warner.

He wasn't able to develop Matt Leinart or Derek Anderson, that would've been something...

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

You think a lot more of Polumbus than most of this board.

RT should be a priority. Draft needs to include more than 1 O-Lineman and a quality DB, MLB, and WR.

Polumbus doesn't even try to his his ground, he backpedals and pushes his man weakly, right into his own QB.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Jacoby Jones is going to be available and could really bolster the KR/PR and WR role but would cost a pretty penny and I am not sure how that will all play out. He kind of fits that mold of big expenditure that we want to avoid with all the holes we have.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by jamf

Warner won a superbowl and NFL MVP before he was ever "developed" by Whisenhut.
Rivers went to an AFC Championship game and 4 probowls before Whisenhut.

He is a solid OC but he doesn't deserve credit for developing Rivers and Warner.

He wasn't able to develop Matt Leinart or Derek Anderson, that would've been something...

Warner won an MVP but was on the backend of his career most recently being a backup in NY.

Rivers was also a QB thought to have hit his peek only to have a resurrection under Ken's tutelage.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Jacoby Jones is going to be available and could really bolster the KR/PR and WR role but would cost a pretty penny and I am not sure how that will all play out. He kind of fits that mold of big expenditure that we want to avoid with all the holes we have.

Jones would be a good add, Or Eric Decker. Although Decker might break the bank(or get the franchise tag from Denver).

[jamf]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Warner won an MVP but was on the backend of his career most recently being a backup in NY.

Rivers was also a QB thought to have hit his peek only to have a resurrection under Ken's tutelage.

I think we both can agree that QB's need some talent around them and a solid coaching staff to succeed.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think the defensive roster is (still) far better suited to a 4-3.

LDE Kerrigan
DT Cofield/backup
DT Jenkins/Golston/Bowen rotating
RDE Orakpo

MLB Riley
SLB Jackson
WLB Tapp

Hall and Amerson at corners. One of Rambo/Merriweather/Jackson starts and we need a starter at the other safety spot.

Maybe bring in a FA over Tapp, but I definitely think Riley and Jackson can hold down the other two spots.

Depth is still and issue at many positions, but at least we're making the most of our assets. Rak especially will be a beast at RDE and Kerrigan is plenty stout enough to play LDE and create some pressure too.

The offense needs more help than defense in terms of adding players/talent. 3 or even 4 new olineman and at least another starting WR.

I've always felt that the switch to a 3-4 was Shanny's first and biggest mistake, and I agree that the personnel in place are the makings of a decent 4-3, with additional help at safety required.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Jacoby Jones is going to be available and could really bolster the KR/PR and WR role but would cost a pretty penny and I am not sure how that will all play out. He kind of fits that mold of big expenditure that we want to avoid with all the holes we have.

Jones would fill 2 holes - #2 WR and legit kick returner. I wanted him when he was in Houston.

[RFKRat]

Rebuild? Here's the problem. When people here have complained over the years about the state of the franchise and the ongoing "rebuild", far too many fans bought into that nonsense, while despite the good record last year, there was still a lot not to like about this team.

Throw in also that it was being run by an egotistical jerk of an owner and an arrogant, egotistical coach who has done nothing of note in fourteen years. The foundation wasn't close to concrete, but far too many fans and certainly the local media bought into the nonsense that this team was on the edge of going truly deep into the playoffs. At 3-10 the truth is out. Funny how teams like SF, even Detroit, etc can go from horrific seasons to solid/playoff teams with just a few additions and some good coaching. But this team goes from just bad to a laughable soap opera drama that is an insult to the proud tradition of this franchise.

According to many the Redskins have been in a rebuild for 3 or 4 years now. Now basically they have to blow it up and start again. Nothing ever changes here and unfortunately under Snyder it never will. This franchise is well on its way to cementing itself as one of the worst franchises in sports this century. And nothing is going to change any time soon.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by jamf

I think we both can agree that QB's need some talent around them and a solid coaching staff to succeed.

Agreed

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by RFKRat

Rebuild? Here's the problem. When people here have complained over the years about the state of the franchise and the ongoing "rebuild", far too many fans bought into that nonsense, while despite the good record last year, there was still a lot not to like about this team.

Throw in also that it was being run by an egotistical jerk of an owner and an arrogant, egotistical coach who has done nothing of note in fourteen years. The foundation wasn't close to concrete, but far too many fans and certainly the local media bought into the nonsense that this team was on the edge of going truly deep into the playoffs. At 3-10 the truth is out. Funny how teams like SF, even Detroit, etc can go from horrific seasons to solid/playoff teams with just a few additions and some good coaching. But this team goes from just bad to a laughable soap opera drama that is an insult to the proud tradition of this franchise.

According to many the Redskins have been in a rebuild for 3 or 4 years now. Now basically they have to blow it up and start again. Nothing ever changes here and unfortunately under Snyder it never will. This franchise is well on its way to cementing itself as one of the worst franchises in sports this century. And nothing is going to change any time soon.

SF and Detroit had many horrific years and high draft picks before finally turning the corner. Detroit in particular drafted Stafford, C. Johnson, and D. Suh as top-2 picks overall. They still fell to last place last year, and selected DE Ezekiel Ansah #5 overall. That's FOUR top-5 picks in the last seven drafts, for those that are counting. You've conveniently forgotten the horror of the Millen years in Detroit that netted the high picks to build the nice foundation they have today.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

SF and Detroit had many horrific years and high draft picks before finally turning the corner. Detroit in particular drafted Stafford, C. Johnson, and D. Suh as top-2 picks overall. They still fell to last place last year, and selected DE Ezekiel Ansah #5 overall. That's FOUR top-5 picks in the last seven drafts, for those that are counting. You've conveniently forgotten the horror of the Millen years in Detroit that netted the high picks to build the nice foundation they have today.

I think more accurate comparison would be Seattle, who also had two first round picks but didn't make the dumb decisions Shanahan and the Skins did.

San Fran and Detroit weretalented they just didn't have the right coach. Even though I think some of Harbaugh's magic is starting to fade. Detroit's coaches suck.

In the end without a changed philosophy within the organization which will in turn change the coaching and player's attitudes, the Skins will always be a bottom dweller.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Jones would fill 2 holes - #2 WR and legit kick returner. I wanted him when he was in Houston.

maybe #3 receiver (slot), but not a true #2 (garcon is a low end #1/ high end #2) ) . . . we would have to be able to sign/draft a #1/#2 in addition . . .