Giants Game Negatives

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by gulliblefan

I, as many skins fans, simply want a winning team, and not merely for a 7 game stretch at the end of a season. I too was drinking the Kool-Aid when RGIII was drafted because the hype was so high, but I don't think we can make excuses for why he hasn't progressed the way he should have by now. Perhaps the reason why he ran the offense he did in college is because that is all he is capable of doing. He is limited because he just doesn't have the ability to do the tangibles that all the greats do. If you really look close, and forget the hype for a minute or two, it becomes quite clear that RGIII is another great example of an amazing college quarterback without the ability to truly transition into the NFL. Watch his feet in the pocket, and see how he misses his reads. I don't think he wants to have happy feet, it just comes second nature to him and it is his only way of protecting himself as a result of his inability to read defenses and get the ball out fast. His 1st year, in my opinion, was a fluke due to the offensive scheme being tailored around him and having the most underrated running back in the NFL in Alfred Morris tote the ball. Heck, Kirk came in and won a game on the road, true it was against Cleveland, but he did it. And we can't forget that he came in, under pressure, and finished the job against Baltimore. I am not saying Kirk is where he needs to be yet, but let's try to forget, for one second that he was just a 4th round pick and didn't win a Heisman, and take a look at the fundamentals he possesses. If we do that, I don't know how we can't come to the conclusion that Kirk has a much higher ceiling in this league. A running quarterback without the ability to stay healthy, as well as the inability to make the reads and get the ball out on time, lacking to maximize the players ability around him, is not going to make it in this league. I truly hope RGIII, if he gets the opportunity again, proves me wrong, but I just don't see it happening for the long term.

Seriously enough of the RG3 bashing, sorry that your bubble got burst and you saw the real Kirk Cousins 4 INTs and a strip sack fumble, so much for the 'pocket awareness'. Any real Redskin fan knows there is much more to be concerned about than Cousins vs. Griffin.

The sad part is that there are some decent pieces in place, but by the time the sorry no account defense is fixed those pieces will be beyond their foootball prime.

[punch it in]

Coaching, offense, defense, fans(or lack there of), special teams, uniforms. Other than those minor issues I think this team is on the verge of something really horrible. TGIF

[SFREDSKIN]

Cousins
Riley
Meriweather
Amerson
Porter
D-line
Haslett (please replace with Baker)
Polumbus
Breeland
Paulsen

[Starry Plough]

My issue remains that there appears to be an overall inability by the FO, to draft accordingly and logically, in a manner which alolows the team to be competitive at the very least. The current crop of rookies being a perfect example.

Now, let me say first of all I’m not blaming them as players. The team picked them after all, through what I can only presume was diligent scouting over time. But it’s the decision making process applied to areas of weakness that has me genuinely concerned going forward more than anything.

Trent Murphy, was drafted because what can be perceived as the team pre-empting Orakpo’s contract situation, and viewing him as a potential replacement, yes? Is he an upgrade on Rak? I guess nobody really knows at this stage. Thing is though, why was the FO trying to be smart by (a) not only taking an OLB in a position where, at the time (and now) it isn’t a priority and (b) trading down in the process? In doing so, someone like Joel Bitonio, who I was pretty high on closer the draft (I hold my hands up that I also said David Yankey would have been a wise investment here lol) could have been had, and could have made a considerable difference on an offensive line which has had its problems for too long, and clearly the FO felt this way also by taking Spencer Long in the 3rd. But that in itself underlines further what I’m getting at. Guard was a something of a priority, and yet they draft an OLB?!

I mean, I know the draft is a lottery regardless of where a team is picking, but I guess what I’m saying is it’s so damn frustrating because I just feel that this team isn’t in a position to be cute when given the opportunity to rebuild in a manner which allows genuinely stable foundations to be laid. Instead, what we seemingly have then is a handful of talented individuals on both sides of the ball, but not enough that they’re capable of making any one particular unit on this team a strength.

My question then is, and without turning this into a draft/FA debate after only 4 games, but honestly, which of the many average-poor units on the team should be addressed first? And by addressing, do we go properly all in instead of a solitary plaster (*band-aid*) solution to a deep wound?

Lastly, and yes, it’s likely naive on my part, but do perennial underachievers like ourselves get better by, again focusing on one area, say the offensive line, and investing say a high draft pick in each of the first 2 rounds, whilst perhaps surviving in other areas, say the secondary for another season by being patient until the next opportunity to address it in a similar manner? Or is that maybe just soccer guy not understanding the logistics of the NFL lol (I’ll accept it if it is)?

Again, apologies for simplifying the problem and focusing on all things draft etc when things run much deeper than that. I just look at it as something this franchise either doesn’t seem to get, or simply doesn’t seem to hit on (can anyone be that unlucky really though?).

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Starry Plough

My issue remains that there appears to be an overall inability by the FO, to draft accordingly and logically, in a manner which alolows the team to be competitive at the very least. The current crop of rookies being a perfect example.



Now, let me say first of all I’m not blaming them as players. The team picked them after all, through what I can only presume was diligent scouting over time. But it’s the decision making process applied to areas of weakness that has me genuinely concerned going forward more than anything.



Trent Murphy, was drafted because what can be perceived as the team pre-empting Orakpo’s contract situation, and viewing him as a potential replacement, yes? Is he an upgrade on Rak? I guess nobody really knows at this stage. Thing is though, why was the FO trying to be smart by (a) not only taking an OLB in a position where, at the time (and now) it isn’t a priority and (b) trading down in the process? In doing so, someone like Joel Bitonio, who I was pretty high on closer the draft (I hold my hands up that I also said David Yankey would have been a wise investment here lol) could have been had, and could have made a considerable difference on an offensive line which has had its problems for too long, and clearly the FO felt this way also by taking Spencer Long in the 3rd. But that in itself underlines further what I’m getting at. Guard was a something of a priority, and yet they draft an OLB?!



I mean, I know the draft is a lottery regardless of where a team is picking, but I guess what I’m saying is it’s so damn frustrating because I just feel that this team isn’t in a position to be cute when given the opportunity to rebuild in a manner which allows genuinely stable foundations to be laid. Instead, what we seemingly have then is a handful of talented individuals on both sides of the ball, but not enough that they’re capable of making any one particular unit on this team a strength.



My question then is, and without turning this into a draft/FA debate after only 4 games, but honestly, which of the many average-poor units on the team should be addressed first? And by addressing, do we go properly all in instead of a solitary plaster (*band-aid*) solution to a deep wound?



Lastly, and yes, it’s likely naive on my part, but do perennial underachievers like ourselves get better by, again focusing on one area, say the offensive line, and investing say a high draft pick in each of the first 2 rounds, whilst perhaps surviving in other areas, say the secondary for another season by being patient until the next opportunity to address it in a similar manner? Or is that maybe just soccer guy not understanding the logistics of the NFL lol (I’ll accept it if it is)?



Again, apologies for simplifying the problem and focusing on all things draft etc when things run much deeper than that. I just look at it as something this franchise either doesn’t seem to get, or simply doesn’t seem to hit on (can anyone be that unlucky really though?).

I agree 150%. We need to replace BA - nobody ever mentions the FO. Its like as long as there is no Vinnie there is no problem. Its just not that simple though.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Cousins
Riley
Meriweather
Amerson
Porter
D-line
Haslett (please replace with Baker)
Polumbus
Breeland
Paulsen

add Orakpo, he is crazy if he thinks he is an elite OLB

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

add Orakpo, he is crazy if he thinks he is an elite OLB

I give him pass since he was playing on basically one hand

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I give him pass since he was playing on basically one hand

What about all the other games he doesnt show up for over the years. Being injury prone on top of being not so good doesnt earn you a pass and it certainly doesnt earn you a big contract b

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I give him pass since he was playing on basically one hand

I think he's been playing on one hand most of his career

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Coaching, offense, defense, fans(or lack there of), special teams, uniforms. Other than those minor issues I think this team is on the verge of something really horrible. TGIF

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this... Is it acceptable to do both?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this... Is it acceptable to do both?

The fan comment was obviously directed at the amount of Blue jerseys there yesterday. That is just disgusting. Yes i would say it is acceptable to laugh and cry. Lol

[gregkthompson]

I cant believe I actually stayed up and watched this A$$ Whooping. We aught to go ahead and let some other team play in that stadium so we can pay the bills. Because the Skins just isnt getting it done. No defense, no offense, no team!

[Skins4L]

Im gonna give Kirk another chance as far as what i think of him. All week the media was talking this guy up and its the first time hes really had to deal with the feedback. All the oh is he gonna take rgs job ect ect it might have been in his head. At least he was slinging the thing when we were down. His chance is next week. U gunsling that defense and we win hes legit again like magic n everyone assumes he just was off this past thursday.

[gregkthompson]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Im gonna give Kirk another chance as far as what i think of him. All week the media was talking this guy up and its the first time hes really had to deal with the feedback. All the oh is he gonna take rgs job ect ect it might have been in his head. At least he was slinging the thing when we were down. His chance is next week. U gunsling that defense and we win hes legit again like magic n everyone assumes he just was off this past thursday.

You are definately better than me, after 4 interceptions last night and a fumble, Im just not sure who I like any more!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Im gonna give Kirk another chance as far as what i think of him. All week the media was talking this guy up and its the first time hes really had to deal with the feedback. All the oh is he gonna take rgs job ect ect it might have been in his head. At least he was slinging the thing when we were down. His chance is next week. U gunsling that defense and we win hes legit again like magic n everyone assumes he just was off this past thursday.

Just like I wasn't going to anoint him as a future starter after last week I am not going to relegate him to career back up after this week. Sh!t happens and as atrocious as it was we take our lumps today with the media and as fans at work from the other teams fans.