Ramsey's last days as a Redskin

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 02:57 PM

It'll be like this. If we draft him he flops. If the Eagles draft him he's the next "most electrifying person" at his position. That seems to be how shit works out when its a player we lose cause of money/oversight/etc.

irish · 04-21-2005, 03:02 PM

I think Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. I do think Campbell will be drafted. PR will be the starter this season and Campbell will watch & learn. When PR's contract expires (in a year or so) Campbell will be the starter.

Thats not the scenario I hope for but its what I think will happen.

skin4Life28 · 04-21-2005, 03:08 PM

I feel Campbell will be suiting up in a Redskins uni this year. Here are my reasons. 1. We are very going to get Carlos Rodgers with number 9 which I like, he is a excellent corner. 2. Gibbs likes to listen to his vets and I really feel that Brunell may be saying Ramsey isn't grasping what he needs to. I don't know though just something to think about.

firstdown · 04-21-2005, 03:09 PM

I have one question. Is it even possible for us to select two first rounders and have the cap room to pay them? I think we would have to make cuts and besides Gardner who else would go? If we do not keep both first rounders what will it be traded for? A second and third rounder and a player? I think the second cenario is the most likley I just don't know who they have an eye on.

SkinsRock · 04-21-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I think Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. I do think Campbell will be drafted. PR will be the starter this season and Campbell will watch & learn. When PR's contract expires (in a year or so) Campbell will be the starter.

Thats not the scenario I hope for but its what I think will happen.

It's not what I want either, but I could see it happening.....but if Ramsey were to turn it on and have success next year or two --ala Brees last year-- it could get very interesting. We all know that Gibbs is huge on sticking with his starting QB until he basically has no choice.
I still don't think they will draft Campbell though....

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 03:10 PM

The Skins FO better get ready for a tit-bashing. No matter what the scouting report says, I don't see Jason Campbell as being a top-tier QB.

Schneed10 · 04-21-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I have one question. Is it even possible for us to select two first rounders and have the cap room to pay them? I think we would have to make cuts and besides Gardner who else would go? If we do not keep both first rounders what will it be traded for? A second and third rounder and a player? I think the second cenario is the most likley I just don't know who they have an eye on.

EXCELLENT point. The salary cap has to come into play here. I don't think we're likely to trade up for a top 5 selection because the price tag for one of those top picks is just too hefty.

And, can we afford a CB or WR at 9 and then the QB at 25? Well, yeah we can, especially after we trade Gardner. But things fit a lot neater under the cap if we either fall back from 9 or fall back from 25.

The way the Skins are acting and the media reports surrounding them, I have NO IDEA what they're going to do. And you know what, that's probably just the way they want it. Considering the cap though, in my opinion, we can rule out a trade up into the top 5. All other options seem open at this point.

BossHog · 04-21-2005, 03:21 PM

Trading those three picks for this year's twenty fifth pick wasnn't neccesarily a bad move in my opinion. I've accepted the fact that I'm a fan of a team who hasn't been built by the draft. This is just another one of those moves that doesn't fit the norm of the NFL. The owner and head coach has other beliefs.

As far as Ramsey goes. Which of you guys was estatic when we drafted him? If I recall correctly it was a reach for us to draft him near the bottom of round one. What has to happen for the Redskins organization and the fans to say 'OK. That's enough. We've seen what you can do'. There's four types of QBs in this league; ones that win games, ones that won't lose games, and ones that lose games. Which is Ramsey? The fourth type. The inconsistent ones. This situation reminds me of the relationship I have with my girlfriend. She doesn't always do as I say, cook what I want to eat, or excite me like the hot chick across the street, but I at least I know what to expect day in and day out. Why ditch her and have to deal with the next psycho bitch? It's cheaper to keep her.

joethiesmanfan · 04-21-2005, 03:23 PM

i think that 25th pick will wind up being an early second round pick. once the draft starts and people get nervous about what they want we are gonna make some moves very interesting we gonna get a CB and the other player should be the best player available. But Jason campbell is gonna wind up being a better pro than Smith or Rodgers from Cal. I want Pac man and then the next best palyer available I dont know about them D-linemen. They look sexy but.........

skin4Life28 · 04-21-2005, 03:24 PM

We will have plenty of cap space to sign our players. We wouldn't have gotten another 1st pick if we couldn't. I have no doubt that Snyder can get these guys signed. After June 1st cuts and Gardner being gone there will be plenty of space.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 03:24 PM

HA!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, I hope your girlfriend doesn't real that.

Classic.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 04-21-2005, 03:26 PM

Uhhhgg. I've said it before, I'll say it again. No Chance we draft Campbell.
1. If we really did want him, we wouldn't go leaking that to the whole world, especially with it being a potential 25th pick. Why tip our hand so badly to let anyone else who wants him leapfrog us?
2. Gibbs doesn't have time to groom Campbell into a starter.
3. Campbell wasn't even that stellar of a QB for 3 of his 4 years at Auburn. One good season does not a quarterback make.
4. Campbell has only ever really excelled in a west coast offense. That type of QB is absolutely useless to Gibbs's offense.
5. We have too many other needs, and this draft is just too deep at CB and WR (coincidentally two of our biggest needs) to make a reach for a 3rd QB.
6. Because the draft is so deep at CB and WR, the best thing the skins could do to help themselves if they plan on staying at #25 to make a pick is to convince the rest of the world that they are taking Campbell. This would potentially cool the feet of anyone behind them that is also looking for a CB or WR and is considering leapfrogging the skins to get one. If they think the skins are going with Campbell, they won't feel like they have to trade up past them to get the next best WR or CB available when #22, 23, 24 start going off the board.
7. I'm not a fan of Campbell and I've told Danny Boy and Joey G how I feel (ok, not really, but points 1-6 stand)

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 03:28 PM

I hope Gibbs called Ramsey and is like, "Dude, we're just trying to play some mind games. Don't take it personally."

skin4Life28 · 04-21-2005, 03:33 PM

Hey PSU. I have a question on point 3. Does Tom Brady count. He only had one year at Michingan and has one 3 Super Bowls. The fact is that he has gotten better each year there.

joethiesmanfan · 04-21-2005, 03:34 PM

okay your not a fan of Campbell, cool but look at the man's resume. Look at the confernece he played in and look at his record i have watched Campbell play and I always wondered why he wasnt talked about much. but if we dont get him i care not as long as we get pac man the other pick dont matter to me. a redskins team has to ahve a shut down darell green type speed corner. return skills got me sold. not knocking ramsey but Campbell aint that bad a pick.

some info on Campbell.

Played quarterback in high school. Team won the state championship his junior year and lost in the semifinal senior year. Player of the year in Mississippi, as well as an all-state basketball player. Redshirted in 2000, started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002, 13 in 2003 with bowl game MVP honors, and started every game as a senior. In 2004 he set a record by winning 31 career games at Auburn under four different offensive coordinators in five years. The last one for his junior and senior years, Al Borges, has done a great job with Campbell. Good arm strength, accuracy has improved, can avoid the rush if needed, has a long release, and looked good at the Senior Bowl.

but like i say we got a QB but if we pick him cool. i like ramsey but its time for him to do his thing.

04-21-2005, 02:57 PM	#16
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin It'll be like this. If we draft him he flops. If the Eagles draft him he's the next "most electrifying person" at his position. That seems to be how shit works out when its a player we lose cause of money/oversight/etc. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 03:02 PM	#17
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin I think Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. I do think Campbell will be drafted. PR will be the starter this season and Campbell will watch & learn. When PR's contract expires (in a year or so) Campbell will be the starter. Thats not the scenario I hope for but its what I think will happen.

04-21-2005, 03:08 PM	#18
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin I feel Campbell will be suiting up in a Redskins uni this year. Here are my reasons. 1. We are very going to get Carlos Rodgers with number 9 which I like, he is a excellent corner. 2. Gibbs likes to listen to his vets and I really feel that Brunell may be saying Ramsey isn't grasping what he needs to. I don't know though just something to think about.

04-21-2005, 03:09 PM	#19
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin I have one question. Is it even possible for us to select two first rounders and have the cap room to pay them? I think we would have to make cuts and besides Gardner who else would go? If we do not keep both first rounders what will it be traded for? A second and third rounder and a player? I think the second cenario is the most likley I just don't know who they have an eye on.

04-21-2005, 03:10 PM	#21
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin The Skins FO better get ready for a tit-bashing. No matter what the scouting report says, I don't see Jason Campbell as being a top-tier QB. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 03:21 PM	#23
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin Trading those three picks for this year's twenty fifth pick wasnn't neccesarily a bad move in my opinion. I've accepted the fact that I'm a fan of a team who hasn't been built by the draft. This is just another one of those moves that doesn't fit the norm of the NFL. The owner and head coach has other beliefs. As far as Ramsey goes. Which of you guys was estatic when we drafted him? If I recall correctly it was a reach for us to draft him near the bottom of round one. What has to happen for the Redskins organization and the fans to say 'OK. That's enough. We've seen what you can do'. There's four types of QBs in this league; ones that win games, ones that won't lose games, and ones that lose games. Which is Ramsey? The fourth type. The inconsistent ones. This situation reminds me of the relationship I have with my girlfriend. She doesn't always do as I say, cook what I want to eat, or excite me like the hot chick across the street, but I at least I know what to expect day in and day out. Why ditch her and have to deal with the next psycho bitch? It's cheaper to keep her.

04-21-2005, 03:23 PM	#24
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin i think that 25th pick will wind up being an early second round pick. once the draft starts and people get nervous about what they want we are gonna make some moves very interesting we gonna get a CB and the other player should be the best player available. But Jason campbell is gonna wind up being a better pro than Smith or Rodgers from Cal. I want Pac man and then the next best palyer available I dont know about them D-linemen. They look sexy but.........

04-21-2005, 03:24 PM	#25
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin We will have plenty of cap space to sign our players. We wouldn't have gotten another 1st pick if we couldn't. I have no doubt that Snyder can get these guys signed. After June 1st cuts and Gardner being gone there will be plenty of space.

04-21-2005, 03:26 PM	#27
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 48 Posts: 1,340	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin Uhhhgg. I've said it before, I'll say it again. No Chance we draft Campbell. 1. If we really did want him, we wouldn't go leaking that to the whole world, especially with it being a potential 25th pick. Why tip our hand so badly to let anyone else who wants him leapfrog us? 2. Gibbs doesn't have time to groom Campbell into a starter. 3. Campbell wasn't even that stellar of a QB for 3 of his 4 years at Auburn. One good season does not a quarterback make. 4. Campbell has only ever really excelled in a west coast offense. That type of QB is absolutely useless to Gibbs's offense. 5. We have too many other needs, and this draft is just too deep at CB and WR (coincidentally two of our biggest needs) to make a reach for a 3rd QB. 6. Because the draft is so deep at CB and WR, the best thing the skins could do to help themselves if they plan on staying at #25 to make a pick is to convince the rest of the world that they are taking Campbell. This would potentially cool the feet of anyone behind them that is also looking for a CB or WR and is considering leapfrogging the skins to get one. If they think the skins are going with Campbell, they won't feel like they have to trade up past them to get the next best WR or CB available when #22, 23, 24 start going off the board. 7. I'm not a fan of Campbell and I've told Danny Boy and Joey G how I feel (ok, not really, but points 1-6 stand) __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

04-21-2005, 03:28 PM	#28
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin I hope Gibbs called Ramsey and is like, "Dude, we're just trying to play some mind games. Don't take it personally." __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 03:33 PM	#29
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin Hey PSU. I have a question on point 3. Does Tom Brady count. He only had one year at Michingan and has one 3 Super Bowls. The fact is that he has gotten better each year there.

04-21-2005, 03:34 PM	#30
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Ramsey's last days as a Redskin okay your not a fan of Campbell, cool but look at the man's resume. Look at the confernece he played in and look at his record i have watched Campbell play and I always wondered why he wasnt talked about much. but if we dont get him i care not as long as we get pac man the other pick dont matter to me. a redskins team has to ahve a shut down darell green type speed corner. return skills got me sold. not knocking ramsey but Campbell aint that bad a pick. some info on Campbell. Played quarterback in high school. Team won the state championship his junior year and lost in the semifinal senior year. Player of the year in Mississippi, as well as an all-state basketball player. Redshirted in 2000, started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002, 13 in 2003 with bowl game MVP honors, and started every game as a senior. In 2004 he set a record by winning 31 career games at Auburn under four different offensive coordinators in five years. The last one for his junior and senior years, Al Borges, has done a great job with Campbell. Good arm strength, accuracy has improved, can avoid the rush if needed, has a long release, and looked good at the Senior Bowl. but like i say we got a QB but if we pick him cool. i like ramsey but its time for him to do his thing.

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