Any news on Gardner?

dirtbag2112 · 04-22-2005, 11:23 AM

C'mon guys, give Rod a little credit...he's more like 60/40. lol Atleast he was a big enough target that even Brunell could find him in the endzone.

firstdown · 04-22-2005, 11:29 AM

Portis stated that Moss will be a no show if does not receive a long term contract. From his stats I don't think he is much of an upgrade from gardner. Can we trade Moss and gardner together and pick a WR in the first round or for WR from another team. I don't like Mosses attitude for a marginal WR. Just a thought.

SkinsRock · 04-22-2005, 11:29 AM

We Redskin fans tend to have a negative view towards Gardner, but actually he is a decent, but average NFL WR. Yes his drops have been frustrating as hell, but his stats are really no worse than the majority of #2 receivers in the league. That is why he has trade value, and why it is mid-round value, not top, and not bottom....i.e. average.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-22-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Portis stated that Moss will be a no show if does not receive a long term contract. From his stats I don't think he is much of an upgrade from gardner. Can we trade Moss and gardner together and pick a WR in the first round or for WR from another team. I don't like Mosses attitude for a marginal WR. Just a thought.

That is an excellent thought. Do we have any salary cap obligation to Moss?

SkinsRock · 04-22-2005, 11:46 AM

Nope, not yet....but what team would want not one, but two new WR's that haven't reached their potential, but want new contracts that will pay them as if they have? That's the problem with that scenario...

LongTimeSkinsFan · 04-22-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsRock

We Redskin fans tend to have a negative view towards Gardner, but actually he is a decent, but average NFL WR. Yes his drops have been frustrating as hell, but his stats are really no worse than the majority of #2 receivers in the league. That is why he has trade value, and why it is mid-round value, not top, and not bottom....i.e. average.

I agree with your evaluation SkinsRock, but as I recall, he wasn't drafted to be a #2 receiver, or at least not as I understood it. All the hoopla surrounding his selection on draft day, I thought he was going to be the second coming of Art Monk (who should be a HOFer) and he's panned out to be more like a second coming of Ricky Sanders

firstdown · 04-22-2005, 01:00 PM

I still think that Gardner has the ability to be a #1 WR or atleast a good #2. I feel he needs a good WR coach to work on his focus and rout running. I have seen him make some impossible grabs then turn around and drop three easy catches. It's all in his focus and if a coach could get him to rededicate himself he could be that receiver we all hoped he would be. I like Gardner as a team player its just a shame he did not give us what we expected. I think we will find out this year if a fresh start with a new team is what he need to emerge as that player.

BDBohnzie · 04-22-2005, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LongTimeSkinsFan

I agree with your evaluation SkinsRock, but as I recall, he wasn't drafted to be a #2 receiver, or at least not as I understood it. All the hoopla surrounding his selection on draft day, I thought he was going to be the second coming of Art Monk (who should be a HOFer) and he's panned out to be more like a second coming of Ricky Sanders

Both Albert Connell and Michael Westbrook were also tabbed as the second coming of Art Monk...and look where they are now? Gardner has shown he can compete in this league, and trading him for something less than what the Redskins are looking for would be a huge loss.

diehardskin2982 · 04-22-2005, 01:10 PM

I think I read somewhere we could trade him to seattle for Koren Robinson. But don't quote me

As for his ability, Gardner is very good but like Ramsey has loss confidence because of being bumped down in the depth chart

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-22-2005, 01:15 PM

I know I post this website a lot, but the new blog has a good opinion of the whole draft thing.

http://redskinsblog.blogspot.com/

firstdown · 04-22-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I think I read somewhere we could trade him to seattle for Koren Robinson. But don't quote me

As for his ability, Gardner is very good but like Ramsey has loss confidence because of being bumped down in the depth chart

That wasn't his problem last year. He just ran routs of 15 and 20 yards and Burnell couldn't throw it that far.

diehardskin2982 · 04-22-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

That wasn't his problem last year. He just ran routs of 15 and 20 yards and Burnell couldn't throw it that far.

I'm was thinking in context to his overall performance since Coles joined the team
He did do well in the Cowboy game, when they went long, so u may be right

offiss · 04-22-2005, 01:27 PM

Gardner say's he wants out and then holds up the trades with contract demands, I would just sit him on the bench for the year and let him think about his value after he misses the entire year sitting instead of playing, that should motivate him.

diehardskin2982 · 04-22-2005, 01:41 PM

no good to the skins being spitefull, it will all work out

Dana87 · 04-22-2005, 02:19 PM

I actually heard rumors of J.Taylor as part of the trade for our 9th, 25th, & Gardner. We would get the 2nd pick & Taylor. The reason for this is the belief that Taylor will not fit the 3-4 Defensive system that Saban wants to run. Also dumping the salary helps to sign multiple draft picks. With that said it could still be a far fetched rumor with no basis in fact. Would be nice though.

04-22-2005, 11:23 AM	#16
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: Any news on Gardner? C'mon guys, give Rod a little credit...he's more like 60/40. lol Atleast he was a big enough target that even Brunell could find him in the endzone.

04-22-2005, 11:29 AM	#17
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Any news on Gardner? Portis stated that Moss will be a no show if does not receive a long term contract. From his stats I don't think he is much of an upgrade from gardner. Can we trade Moss and gardner together and pick a WR in the first round or for WR from another team. I don't like Mosses attitude for a marginal WR. Just a thought.

04-22-2005, 11:29 AM	#18
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Re: Any news on Gardner? We Redskin fans tend to have a negative view towards Gardner, but actually he is a decent, but average NFL WR. Yes his drops have been frustrating as hell, but his stats are really no worse than the majority of #2 receivers in the league. That is why he has trade value, and why it is mid-round value, not top, and not bottom....i.e. average.

04-22-2005, 11:46 AM	#20
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Re: Any news on Gardner? Nope, not yet....but what team would want not one, but two new WR's that haven't reached their potential, but want new contracts that will pay them as if they have? That's the problem with that scenario...

04-22-2005, 01:00 PM	#22
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Any news on Gardner? I still think that Gardner has the ability to be a #1 WR or atleast a good #2. I feel he needs a good WR coach to work on his focus and rout running. I have seen him make some impossible grabs then turn around and drop three easy catches. It's all in his focus and if a coach could get him to rededicate himself he could be that receiver we all hoped he would be. I like Gardner as a team player its just a shame he did not give us what we expected. I think we will find out this year if a fresh start with a new team is what he need to emerge as that player.

04-22-2005, 01:10 PM	#24
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Any news on Gardner? I think I read somewhere we could trade him to seattle for Koren Robinson. But don't quote me As for his ability, Gardner is very good but like Ramsey has loss confidence because of being bumped down in the depth chart __________________ That got ugly fast

04-22-2005, 01:15 PM	#25
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Any news on Gardner? I know I post this website a lot, but the new blog has a good opinion of the whole draft thing. http://redskinsblog.blogspot.com/ __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-22-2005, 01:27 PM	#28
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: Any news on Gardner? Gardner say's he wants out and then holds up the trades with contract demands, I would just sit him on the bench for the year and let him think about his value after he misses the entire year sitting instead of playing, that should motivate him.

04-22-2005, 01:41 PM	#29
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Any news on Gardner? no good to the skins being spitefull, it will all work out __________________ That got ugly fast

04-22-2005, 02:19 PM	#30
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 64 Posts: 130	Re: Any news on Gardner? I actually heard rumors of J.Taylor as part of the trade for our 9th, 25th, & Gardner. We would get the 2nd pick & Taylor. The reason for this is the belief that Taylor will not fit the 3-4 Defensive system that Saban wants to run. Also dumping the salary helps to sign multiple draft picks. With that said it could still be a far fetched rumor with no basis in fact. Would be nice though.

Any news on Gardner?

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