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MTK · 04-24-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SonnySamFrank

Doesnt' Gibbs run a two tightend set? Is he going to switch to H-Back?

The logic of this pick escapes me. "an intriguing developmental FB prospect" we you have other needs???

Switch to H-back? Chris Cooley ring a bell??

That Guy · 04-24-2005, 04:48 PM

the olb we got has played FB in college too i think, so thats 3 FBs...

hurrykaine · 04-24-2005, 12:16 PM

wow-6'2", 245 - this guy is touted as a monster FB. Gibbs and co must've taken him for his blocking and for his potential as a goalline back.

redwagonskins · 04-24-2005, 12:17 PM

Except he can't block...

drew54 · 04-24-2005, 12:17 PM

H Back/TE. All the way. Bugel will teach him how to block and he already knows how to catch and run. Excellent pick!!!!!

hurrykaine · 04-24-2005, 12:17 PM

really? you've seen this guy play?

redwagonskins · 04-24-2005, 12:23 PM

Did you watch the senior bowl? not so fresh. and watching UCLA here in south Cal but who knows, maybe after four years in college of not having picked up the skill, he will in training camp. BTW, he was used mostly as a hb at UCLA...

drew54 · 04-24-2005, 12:25 PM

I think I was him once or twice, and like wagon said he usually played HB. Also from reading all of the Bio's on him that i colud google this is my opinion. Has good size now if only he can learn to block.

redwagonskins · 04-24-2005, 12:27 PM

Didn't they just sign Rock again did they... and what about Sellers..I guess we'll be deep at FB too.

joecrisp · 04-24-2005, 12:30 PM

Another pick that will take some creative (read: blindly optimistic) thinking to be at peace with.

flyfischer · 04-24-2005, 12:46 PM

we still have gaping holes at TE and pass rushing DE, and no hight at WR...I also think we could still get some good people at MLB, perhaps Ahmad Brooks. In a way, this draft reminds me of last years. I was pretty pissed that we didn't take Winslow...but look how great a pick Taylor turned out to be. Still, here's my predictions at the next three rounds: 5th round-running back, 6th round-left tackle, 7th round-quarterback...they don't make sense so they must be whats going to happen

SKINSnCANES · 04-24-2005, 12:51 PM

i dont see us taking two oline. Two dline would make more sense. we draft two olinemen last year

drew54 · 04-24-2005, 12:53 PM

DE, LB, and WR.

Not sure what order, but I think these will be our next picks.

MTK · 04-24-2005, 12:59 PM

Rock is a special teams guy at this point.

I'm thinking we may see some two back sets next year, perhaps a lead FB for Portis?

White isn't a great blocker right now, but he's got potential to improve on his technique and nice size.

Cush · 04-24-2005, 02:00 PM

I like this pick, Williams should be able to mold him

Strengths: Has an exceptional combination of size, strength and straight-line speed. Is powerful at the POA and shows the ability to take on blocks in the phone booth if he plays with better technique. Has great range and closing burst versus the run. Is an explosive tackler that closes quickly and shows very good short area power. Fills hard versus the run. Has great speed when he gets a clear lane to the quarterback as a blitzer. Also has adequate range in zone coverage and the speed to run with most backs downfield.

Weaknesses: Is still not as fundamentally sound as he needs to be. He plays too high at times and needs to show better leverage and consistency when it comes to taking on blocks in the phone booth. He must also learn to use his hands better to shed. At times he will take too long to diagnose a play. He gets away with it at the C-USA level because of his speed but he needs to make quicker reads and react faster. Too many arm tackles. Needs to do a better job of breaking down and wrapping up. He has elite speed but his hips are a little bit stiff and he doesn't have great man-to-man cover skills. He has potential in zone coverage but he needs to take fewer false steps versus play-action. He does a good job of knocking passes down in his zone, but his ball skills are below average.

Overall: McCune redshirted in 2000 and saw action only as a backup from 2001-'02 before taking over as Louisville's fulltime starting middle linebacker as a junior in 2003, when he finished with 143 total tackles, five TFL and four sacks. He started all 12 games (ILB and OLB) as a senior in 2004 and led the team with 115 total tackles, including four for loss, two sacks and one interception. A member of the National Guard; spent six months in Kuwait and a full year in Korea. He will be a 26-year old rookie in the NFL. McCune was much improved as a senior and his upside is extremely intriguing because of his rare combination of size (6-0, 245), strength (33 reps of 225-pound bench press) and speed (4.50). However, McCune is a much more attractive prospect when watching him work out in shorts than he is when studying him in pads on film. He has great top-end speed for his size but he plays stiff and he has lots of limitations in terms of his range versus the run and in coverage, as a result. Furthermore, he still lacks ideal technique and recognition skills, which leads to inconsistent play. In our opinion, McCune is worth the gamble in the fourth-to-fifth round range of the upcoming draft but anywhere earlier than that would be a classic case of getting caught up in McCune as a "workout warrior", not a football player.

04-24-2005, 04:48 PM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Insider Profile: Manuel White Jr. the olb we got has played FB in college too i think, so thats 3 FBs...

04-24-2005, 12:16 PM	#3
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 52 Posts: 762	Re: Extra Pick wow-6'2", 245 - this guy is touted as a monster FB. Gibbs and co must've taken him for his blocking and for his potential as a goalline back.

04-24-2005, 12:17 PM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Extra Pick Except he can't block...

04-24-2005, 12:17 PM	#5
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Extra Pick H Back/TE. All the way. Bugel will teach him how to block and he already knows how to catch and run. Excellent pick!!!!!

04-24-2005, 12:17 PM	#6
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 52 Posts: 762	Re: Extra Pick really? you've seen this guy play?

04-24-2005, 12:23 PM	#7
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Extra Pick Did you watch the senior bowl? not so fresh. and watching UCLA here in south Cal but who knows, maybe after four years in college of not having picked up the skill, he will in training camp. BTW, he was used mostly as a hb at UCLA...

04-24-2005, 12:25 PM	#8
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Extra Pick I think I was him once or twice, and like wagon said he usually played HB. Also from reading all of the Bio's on him that i colud google this is my opinion. Has good size now if only he can learn to block.

04-24-2005, 12:27 PM	#9
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Extra Pick Didn't they just sign Rock again did they... and what about Sellers..I guess we'll be deep at FB too.

04-24-2005, 12:30 PM	#10
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 49 Posts: 1,501	Re: Extra Pick Another pick that will take some creative (read: blindly optimistic) thinking to be at peace with.

04-24-2005, 12:46 PM	#11
flyfischer Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 47	Re: Extra Pick we still have gaping holes at TE and pass rushing DE, and no hight at WR...I also think we could still get some good people at MLB, perhaps Ahmad Brooks. In a way, this draft reminds me of last years. I was pretty pissed that we didn't take Winslow...but look how great a pick Taylor turned out to be. Still, here's my predictions at the next three rounds: 5th round-running back, 6th round-left tackle, 7th round-quarterback...they don't make sense so they must be whats going to happen

04-24-2005, 12:51 PM	#12
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	Re: Extra Pick i dont see us taking two oline. Two dline would make more sense. we draft two olinemen last year __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-24-2005, 12:53 PM	#13
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Extra Pick DE, LB, and WR. Not sure what order, but I think these will be our next picks.

04-24-2005, 12:59 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Extra Pick Rock is a special teams guy at this point. I'm thinking we may see some two back sets next year, perhaps a lead FB for Portis? White isn't a great blocker right now, but he's got potential to improve on his technique and nice size.

04-24-2005, 02:00 PM	#15
Cush Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 963	Profile: Robert McCune, ILB Louisville I like this pick, Williams should be able to mold him Strengths: Has an exceptional combination of size, strength and straight-line speed. Is powerful at the POA and shows the ability to take on blocks in the phone booth if he plays with better technique. Has great range and closing burst versus the run. Is an explosive tackler that closes quickly and shows very good short area power. Fills hard versus the run. Has great speed when he gets a clear lane to the quarterback as a blitzer. Also has adequate range in zone coverage and the speed to run with most backs downfield. Weaknesses: Is still not as fundamentally sound as he needs to be. He plays too high at times and needs to show better leverage and consistency when it comes to taking on blocks in the phone booth. He must also learn to use his hands better to shed. At times he will take too long to diagnose a play. He gets away with it at the C-USA level because of his speed but he needs to make quicker reads and react faster. Too many arm tackles. Needs to do a better job of breaking down and wrapping up. He has elite speed but his hips are a little bit stiff and he doesn't have great man-to-man cover skills. He has potential in zone coverage but he needs to take fewer false steps versus play-action. He does a good job of knocking passes down in his zone, but his ball skills are below average. Overall: McCune redshirted in 2000 and saw action only as a backup from 2001-'02 before taking over as Louisville's fulltime starting middle linebacker as a junior in 2003, when he finished with 143 total tackles, five TFL and four sacks. He started all 12 games (ILB and OLB) as a senior in 2004 and led the team with 115 total tackles, including four for loss, two sacks and one interception. A member of the National Guard; spent six months in Kuwait and a full year in Korea. He will be a 26-year old rookie in the NFL. McCune was much improved as a senior and his upside is extremely intriguing because of his rare combination of size (6-0, 245), strength (33 reps of 225-pound bench press) and speed (4.50). However, McCune is a much more attractive prospect when watching him work out in shorts than he is when studying him in pads on film. He has great top-end speed for his size but he plays stiff and he has lots of limitations in terms of his range versus the run and in coverage, as a result. Furthermore, he still lacks ideal technique and recognition skills, which leads to inconsistent play. In our opinion, McCune is worth the gamble in the fourth-to-fifth round range of the upcoming draft but anywhere earlier than that would be a classic case of getting caught up in McCune as a "workout warrior", not a football player.

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