The McNabb trade: 10 years later

[Warthog]

Getting McNabb was just another Snyder-type, bone-headed move. Bring in a (former) good or very good player, but who now was on the far downside of their career - no longer very good or even good. Donovan was just another guy in the Snyder-era coming here just to “cash out” using Redskin’s money.

There was a strategic plan, perfected by GEORGE Allen in the ‘70’s, to use older FA to build a team. They had older guys who worked together and could win. Unfortunately, trying a similar plan was a total flop from the 1990’s, right when Snyder took over the team. I’m a little fuzzy on the average age of George Allen’s “Over the Hill Gang” FA players, but I don’t think it was a program built with players on their last legs - with just one or two seasons left. Between the 1970’s and when Snyder bought the team, the NFL changed by getting younger, stronger and faster. Few players make it past 10 years.

It has taken 20 years for Snyder to figure out that he needs a coach to create a winning culture and mostly using players who came to the team through the draft. Even most of the FA brought in now are under 30 years old. Only a couple “old timers” like AP are used - and even those guys MUST have some juice in the tank, as well as being good examples and mentors to the young guys. McNabb wasn’t one of those guys.


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[SolidSnake84]

I remember driving home from my wife's house (then girlfriend at the time) and hearing about the McNabb trade on the radio. I called my best friend and told him about it, he thought i was joking.

I remember being excited because i thought that McNabb had enough juice left in the tank that he would be competent for a few seasons. Boy was i wrong. I remember him having like one good game, and then just basically sucking.

And Donovan was beyond shot at the point that he arrived here. Good for Andy Reid for fleecing us. He knew that McNabb was washed up by that point. If I recall correctly, McNabb got one more shot in Minnesota, but he still sucked, so he was cut, and that was the end of his career.

[Buffalo Bob]

Someone willing to trade his QB within a division should send up a huge red flag.

[EdmundDorf]

You'd think , of course Dan Snyder is a like a bull, he charges straight at red flags

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

You'd think , of course Dan Snyder is a like a bull, he charges straight at red flags

Dan was desperate, Mcnabb was just another Band-Aid.. RG3 was supposed to be the savior... Man we've made some Awful QB moves

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[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dan was desperate, Mcnabb was just another Band-Aid.. RG3 was supposed to be the savior... Man we've made some Awful QB moves

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And we have been so so close in the draft to at least two HOF'ers ...

1983, Marino fell all the way to the second to last pick Miami ... we took Darrell Green in the last pick of that first round, which was awesome. But can you imagine Joe Gibbs with Dan Marino??? And there's no reason to think Green wouldn't have fallen to us in the second round too. That would have been all time home run ...

2005, Aaron Rodgers falls all the way to Green Bay at 24. We picked Jason Campbell at 25. (And chose Carlos Rogers at 9 earlier that round, to be fair).


What could have been ...

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

And we have been so so close in the draft to at least two HOF'ers ...



1983, Marino fell all the way to the second to last pick Miami ... we took Darrell Green in the last pick of that first round, which was awesome. But can you imagine Joe Gibbs with Dan Marino??? And there's no reason to think Green wouldn't have fallen to us in the second round too. That would have been all time home run ...



2005, Aaron Rodgers falls all the way to Green Bay at 24. We picked Jason Campbell at 25. (And chose Carlos Rogers at 9 earlier that round, to be fair).





What could have been ...

Wilson instead of Rg3/Kirk.

Notice the trend? Lol

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[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Wilson instead of Rg3/Kirk.

Notice the trend? Lol

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So we shouldn't draft QB's in the top 5 - 10 ...

Sorry Tua.

lol

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

So we shouldn't draft QB's in the top 5 - 10 ...



Sorry Tua.



lol

Haha yes

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[Warthog]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

And we have been so so close in the draft to at least two HOF'ers ...

1983, Marino fell all the way to the second to last pick Miami ... we took Darrell Green in the last pick of that first round, which was awesome. But can you imagine Joe Gibbs with Dan Marino??? And there's no reason to think Green wouldn't have fallen to us in the second round too. That would have been all time home run ...

2005, Aaron Rodgers falls all the way to Green Bay at 24. We picked Jason Campbell at 25. (And chose Carlos Rogers at 9 earlier that round, to be fair).


What could have been ...

Dan Marino or Aaron Rodgers. Excellent recounting of the HUGE draft misses of that era . Both of those QB’s are/were great and had long careers of winning football.

I remember when we had Jason Campbell - he would have occasional flashes of brilliance but couldn’t carry the team or win the close games. Just good enough to make the team give him a few more games to try to see if he was the franchise leader we needed. We have had a terrible record of drafting QB, with our first pick, since the early 1990’s: Shuler, Ramsey, Campbell, RG3. All total busts, except RG3’s rookie year.

I think Haskins will be a winner if he is supported with the missing pieces to the OL and TE and WR.


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[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Dan Marino or Aaron Rodgers. Excellent recounting of the HUGE draft misses of that era . Both of those QB’s are/were great and had long careers of winning football.

I remember when we had Jason Campbell - he would have occasional flashes of brilliance but couldn’t carry the team or win the close games. Just good enough to make the team give him a few more games to try to see if he was the franchise leader we needed. We have had a terrible record of drafting QB, with our first pick, since the early 1990’s: Shuler, Ramsey, Campbell, RG3.

I think Haskins will be a winner if he is supported with the missing pieces to the OL and TE and WR.


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We never had a chance at Marino .. the only team to not have a chance.

But we clearly chose the wrong Rogers at pick 9 ... Carlos over Aaron. Not that we woulda done much WITH Aaron. But maybe.

Our track record with first round QB draftees is a bit worrisome for Haskins. I am hoping for the best and like others here, found his last couple games encouraging, minus the posing for victory selfies with fans ....

[Buffalo Bob]

The Redskins haven't had a franchise QB since Theismann and he retired 35 years ago.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

The Redskins haven't had a franchise QB since Theismann and he retired 35 years ago.

That’s about right.


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[AnonEmouse]

I bet you could look at 10-15 teams that this also applies to, or at least in part. The curious thing is, with all the expertise that theoretically should be out there in the scouting/GM space, so many teams still seem to trip themselves up with high picks, especially QB. I mean at the time would everyone really have turned their noses up at the likes of Leaf, Schuler, Russell etc.? I doubt it.

I just struggle to fathom how this process fails so (relatively) often. With all the time and money invested...

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I bet you could look at 10-15 teams that this also applies to, or at least in part. The curious thing is, with all the expertise that theoretically should be out there in the scouting/GM space, so many teams still seem to trip themselves up with high picks, especially QB. I mean at the time would everyone really have turned their noses up at the likes of Leaf, Schuler, Russell etc.? I doubt it.

I just struggle to fathom how this process fails so (relatively) often. With all the time and money invested...

I posted about this one time years ago, how were all of those busts able to fool scouts, NFL GM's, etc...

The answer i was given at the time was that the teams, etc. were aware of the risks and the high probability of failure, but the talent was seen as so immense and rare that it was worth the risk. Take Jamarcus Russell for example. He had arm talent that didn't seem humanly possible. The only other player i have seen in my life with his equivalent arm strength was Jeff George. Looking back on them now, both are considered busts, but i will argue that George had a more successful NFL career.