Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Educate yourself. In the 1930s the government enrolled only African Americans in a study, without telling them it was a study, and promised them free health care in exchange. Those who had syphilis were eligible. They studied the long term effects of the disease, and despite the fact that a treatment was available, it was never given. They studied these people for 40 years to see what would happen.

That's human experimentation. It's one thing if you're signing up for a clinical trial for a cancer drug, knowing that it may not work, and they explain your chances and the theory and exactly what they'll be giving to you... and then they actually give you exactly what they say they would give you.

It's entirely different to conduct trials like this without telling people the deal.

There are very valid, deep-seated trust issues between the minority communities and the medical establishment.

While as disgusting as it was…not a reason why minorities are not getting a vaccine.

It’s spew propaganda to run cover on y local government to federal government failures when looking at demographics data and trying to figure out why the unvaccinated remain high in certain areas of the country.

I’ll point to more relevant and recent statements by the government …j&j pause, inconsistent messages by trump and Biden administrations, cdc messaging…why the distrust in the vaccine exist.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

While as disgusting as it was…not a reason why minorities are not getting a vaccine.

It’s spew propaganda to run cover on y local government to federal government failures when looking at demographics data and trying to figure out why the unvaccinated remain high in certain areas of the country.

I’ll point to more relevant and recent statements by the government …j&j pause, inconsistent messages by trump and Biden administrations, cdc messaging…why the distrust in the vaccine exist.

Empirical evidence says otherwise. You're just making shit up at this point. When you try to say a lot about shit you know nothing about, you expose yourself pretty rapidly.

Maybe look into the Dunning-Kruger effect. You're the poster child.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Educate yourself. In the 1930s the government enrolled only African Americans in a study, without telling them it was a study, and promised them free health care in exchange. Those who had syphilis were eligible. They studied the long term effects of the disease, and despite the fact that a treatment was available, it was never given. They studied these people for 40 years to see what would happen.

That's human experimentation. It's one thing if you're signing up for a clinical trial for a cancer drug, knowing that it may not work, and they explain your chances and the theory and exactly what they'll be giving to you... and then they actually give you exactly what they say they would give you.

It's entirely different to conduct trials like this without telling people the deal.

There are very valid, deep-seated trust issues between the minority communities and the medical establishment.

This is one of the most sickening things I've ever read about in my life. So fucking terrible. I could definitely see how that could sew mistrust, even today. It really wasn't that long ago.

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by mooby

Shame as you would think Ron's health would make him more susceptible and they would do it for him.

Hopefully, Ron has been vaccinated. Which would make this point moot.

Unless the vaccines don't work. Which would make getting the vaccine pointless.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

Hopefully, Ron has been vaccinated. Which would make this point moot.

Unless the vaccines don't work. Which would make getting the vaccine pointless.

You can still get COVID with the vaccine, it just lowers your risk of hospitalization.

Imagine if Ron got COVID and had to step away from the team for two weeks to rest because half his players don't feel like getting vaccinated. It would be pretty fucked up.

Imagine if we had an outbreak and lost several starters and then lost multiple games because the NFL won't cancel or postpone any games, that would also be fucked up.

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by mooby

You can still get COVID with the vaccine, it just lowers your risk of hospitalization.

Imagine if Ron got COVID and had to step away from the team for two weeks to rest because half his players don't feel like getting vaccinated. It would be pretty fucked up.

Imagine if we had an outbreak and lost several starters and then lost multiple games because the NFL won't cancel or postpone any games, that would also be fucked up.

It just lowers your risk of hospitalization?? Really?

That's not what is being communicated.


I seriously doubt that Ron is that worried about catching COVID from his players because I bet he got vaccinated. And I bet he was told something other than "it just lowers your risk of hospitalization" when he got vaccinated.

At some point, we need to realize that COVID will be here forever. And like the flu, it can kill you. But ... also like the flu ... chances are much much greater that it won't kill you. And that you'll feel like crap for a couple of days, and then be fine.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

It just lowers your risk of hospitalization?? Really?

That's not what is being communicated.


I seriously doubt that Ron is that worried about catching COVID from his players because I bet he got vaccinated. And I bet he was told something other than "it just lowers your risk of hospitalization" when he got vaccinated.

At some point, we need to realize that COVID will be here forever. And like the flu, it can kill you. But ... also like the flu ... chances are much much greater that it won't kill you. And that you'll feel like crap for a couple of days, and then be fine.

More than 10,000 people died of Covid in June. 99.2% of those had not been vaccinated. July’s numbers are likely to be worse…

Argument over. Get vaccinated.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

It just lowers your risk of hospitalization?? Really?

That's not what is being communicated.


I seriously doubt that Ron is that worried about catching COVID from his players because I bet he got vaccinated. And I bet he was told something other than "it just lowers your risk of hospitalization" when he got vaccinated.

At some point, we need to realize that COVID will be here forever. And like the flu, it can kill you. But ... also like the flu ... chances are much much greater that it won't kill you. And that you'll feel like crap for a couple of days, and then be fine.

https://www.nbc12.com/2021/07/12/loo...ed-virginians/

This is just a look at Virginia as that is the state I'm most familiar with.

Since January:
1k fully vaccinated Virginians have contracted COVID. 71 were hospitalized, and 17 died.

However, the total # of Virginians that have contracted COVID were:
"Out of 190,846 total COVID-19 cases, 189,783 cases were among people who were not fully vaccinated. That’s 99.4% of recorded cases since Jan. 21.

More than 6,700 of those cases resulted in hospitalization. Since January, nearly 2,430 COVID-19 deaths occurred among Virginians who weren’t fully vaccinated."

So yeah, you can still catch COVID. The odds of you dying from it if you're fully vaccinated are less than 1% but it can still happen. Would I bet on it happening? No. But I assume we're all here because we want this team to win, and with under 50% vaccinated they're only making it tougher on their selves to do so.

[MTK]

Had a co-worker test positive recently. She's anti-vax, anti-masks, just did some major traveling. Needless to say nobody feels bad for her.

[MTK]

Let's make voter ID cards that also track your vax status and watch conservative heads explode lol

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Let's make voter ID cards that also track your vax status and watch conservative heads explode lol

So true.

I saw this yesterday, Yankees game cancelled after 6 players test positive:
https://www.today.com/video/yankee-g...9-116876357741

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Let's make voter ID cards that also track your vax status and watch conservative heads explode lol

Transparency. Sounds good to me. Of course a paranoid conspiracy theorist who doesn’t believe there is enough transparency and thinks there is some secret agenda will have major problems with this. Ironic to say the least…

[NYCskinfan82]

if your saying these athletes should take the vaccine, i hope you've taken it yourself and not talking out of the side of your mouth. I've taken mine and i'm a person of colour. i trust the Scientist and Doctors just not sure about the people in control.

[Chico23231]

Distrust in the government isn’t a big driver of the hesitancy. So if you parse demographics and immediately say “well this is because of the past” when you see the obvious low number in minority group…that’s being dishonest.

If their is distrust in government maybe Biden and Kamala saying they would be hesitant and not to trust the trump vaccine last year in the fall, maybe the abrupt and incompetent decision to halt the J&J or maybe the inconsistent cdc handling of messaging…this is more likely to drive distrust numbers in government.

Could you also imagine blaming social media on not hitting July vaccine goal. Jfc…amazing. Just imagine if Bigly would have threatened to censor social media…people would be losing their shit here

[irish]

The covid vaccine is showing an efficacy rate above 90%. The flu shot efficacy rate is around 60%. The bottom line is the covid vaccine works incredibly well and people should get vaccinated.

Unfortunately the Green Day song has come true, we are the Idiot States of America.