Do you guys think ramsey the answer at qb

[Paintrain]

I for one am not sold on Ramsey but obviously am hoping for the best.. I want to see him WIN games for us not manage them effectively. Managing games will beat bad and mediocre teams but talent and execution beat the good teams.. That's where Ramsey hasn't shown up yet. He needs to step up and be the man when the team needs him to be before I will give him the all clear.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey hasn't been the starter for a full season in a stable system yet. His rookie year he was in and out of the lineup and probably played before he was really ready to. Year 2 he started off hot but once NFL defensive coordinators caught on to Spurrier's kindergarten blocking schemes he got pounded silly.

He showed promise down the stretch last year and was 110% better at the end of the year compared to the preseason when he looked atrocious.

I'm confident he'll play very well this year.

i agree with you 100%.

[Longtimefan]

All of us wanted to see PR be successful at the position because we were looking for that "Savior" at the QB position. We didn't have much in terms of a QB ahead of him on the depth chart when he made his first appearence in that come from behind victory against the Titans, therefore we all wanted him to be "The Man" because he's a nice guy with a strong arm. Well I'm afraid it takes a little more than that to be a complete QB in the NFL. Despite the fact he has played well for a few plays in some games he's still saddled with some defeciencies he must learn to overcome before he is to be successful at this level.
The knocks: Slow of foot; A QB in the pocket has to be like a PR preparing to return, he must be able to make the first potential tackler "miss". How many times have we seen the first guy in on Ramsey take him for a sack? On the contraty, how many times will you see the first guy take down Mc'Nabb? Holds the ball too long allowing Blitzers a better opportunity to reach him. Problems reading deep coverages causing indecision. Lack of touch on short pass routes. I see all these things being correctable and a challenge for PR to move forfeward in being a more complete QB in the NFL. I certainly will be looking for signs of improvement this season, if not his stay here may not be as lengthly as we had hoped.

We will make the Play-off's in 05 "Regardless"!!!!!

[Longtimefan]

The coming season will put an end to the argument about the system. PR has played, and started enough games to be more efficient on a consistent basis than he has shown thus far. Granted, he played under a flawed system when Spurrier was coaching, but the "System" has nothing to do the inability to read Pro Defence's, holding the ball until he's sacked, and slowed mechanics coupled with a lack of touch on many passes both long and short. Except for being slow (Footwork) his other problems can be corrected. and will have to be in order for him to be a success at this level. By me being an eternal optomist I'm always hoping for the best and I really want PR to be successful. I think most of us on this board feel the same way. However, JG is the coach and there has to be a real reason why he continues to undermine PR by looking to alternates in his stead.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I think everyone knows my position on Ramsey.

[offiss]

I believe Ramsey will go as far as Gibbs is perpared to take him, he's going to be [IMO] an outstanding QB, but he need's Gibbs to get catch up and get everyone playing on the same page. Last season we had to many player's on offense thinking instead of doing and that includes Gibbs, hopefully with a year under their belt's the system will start to blossom along with Ramsey.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I think everyone knows my position on Ramsey.

Doggie style or on your hands and knees?

[GoSkins!]

I think that Ramsey has all the tools to win at a high level for the Skins.

First, last year he did show remarkable improvement as the season went on. Guys, when you look at the stats, you have to throw out the first Giants game. You do this because not only did he come off the bench and play from behind, he also had not been getting the snaps in practice because he was the backup. It's just not realistic to expect him to be on top of his game when thrown into that situation.

Second, Ramsey can make all the throws. Yes, even the short ones. If last year didn't prove that, I don't know what would. What he needs to do is get comfortable in the system so that he can start seeing his second and third receivers (something we didn't see last year because we would only send out one or two guys).

Third, Ramsey's footwork is terrible, but footwork does not win championships. Aikman, Warner, Brady, even Rypien had two things in common. Bad mobility, and a great ability to read the field. If QB mobility were really that important, Vick, Mcnabb, Culpepper would all have rings... Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a more mobile QB, it's just that it has been proven that you can win big without a modile QB.

Fourth, and this is important, Ramsey has to learn to make the throw to win the game. When the game is on the line, Ramsey has a tendency to go Jim Kelly on us. I think that Gibbs will be able to help him through film study to break him of this. Once his confidence is right and he doesn't feel like it is all on him, I think he will get over it. If not, Gibbs will have no choice but to move on.

So, this year is the year. He knows the system, 4th year in the league, and Gibbs has made his offensive adjustments. Time to step up and take control of the O.

[manicd]

The whole argument of Gibbs not trusting Ramsey because he went out and got Campbell is getting old. As somebody mentioned before, why is it bad to have competition at the QB position? Nobody on here was saying, man, guess Shawn Springs is done, they're looking at this guy McQuarters. Greg Williams doesn't trust Shawn Springs, look at all the D-backs we bring in. Please, we know Brunnell sucked ass, and I think Gibbs may have faced that realization too. Now we have Ramsey and Campbell, instead of Ramsey and Brunnell. Was spending all those picks on Campbell too much? Ironically, hopefully it was. It means he never sees the field, which means Ramsey is playing well, and I can live with that.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I think everyone knows my position on Ramsey.

hmmmmmmmmmmm with a nickname of Ramseyfan let me guess

[portistothehouse]

No last year did not prove ramsey can make all the throws. It proved that mark brunell is terrible .and that ramsey has zero touch in short passing, i remember that pass to that #82 te in the cowboys game ,and ramsey is not accurate .Ramsey threw a 5 yard pass to hard and it was tiped and picked off.

Ramsey has slow feet,He cant feel the pressure coming. when the heat is on he throws passes into coverage and gets picked off.

And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep. Ramsey is the problem his not an NFL qb the end. watch the tape ,the tape doesnt lie. A tiger does not change its strips.Ramsey is not a good qb.

He will get a shot in 2005 .But if i was a betting man ramsey is gone after the 2005 season and campbell will be starting in 2006. campbell is accurate, taller better deep ball.doesnt panic in the pocket either.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by portistothehouse

No last year did not prove ramsey can make all the throws. It proved that mark brunell is terrible .and that ramsey has zero touch in short passing, i remember that pass to that #82 te in the cowboys game ,and ramsey is not accurate .Ramsey threw a 5 yard pass to hard and it was tiped and picked off.

Ramsey has slow feet,He cant feel the pressure coming. when the heat is on he throws passes into coverage and gets picked off.

And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep. Ramsey is the problem his not an NFL qb the end. watch the tape ,the tape doesnt lie. A tiger does not change its strips.Ramsey is not a good qb.

He will get a shot in 2005 .But if i was a betting man ramsey is gone after the 2005 season and campbell will be starting in 2006. campbell is accurate, taller better deep ball.doesnt panic in the pocket either.

If you are a betting man let me know, cause I will take you up on that 1.


Where does your vast knowledge of Campbell come from? Considering he hasen't played a down in the NFL?

So let's get this straight, players, coach's, and scheme's don't have anything to do with a QB's success?

How bout Drew Bree's did that tiger change it's stripes? Or perhap's he was a good QB all along and just needed to get comfortable in the right situation, either way before last season why don't you take a look at what people were saying comparitivly about the 2, you will find that Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!
The only reason he started was because of Rivers prolonged holdout.

Circumstances can very easily and quite often dictate the ability and progress of a QB, especially a young one with a new system to learn every year.

Campbell will become trade bait in a couple of year's once Ramsey solidifies his job as starter. The best we can hope from Campbell is that he developes enough to bring back more than what we gave up. He wasen't a great college QB I don't know why everyone believes this kid is going to be a super bowl caliber QB? Ramsey has proven a heck of lot more than Campbell, with change after change.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

How bout Drew Bree's........, either way before last season why don't you take a look at what people were saying comparitivly about the 2, you will find that Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!

What class do you think Ramsey is in??????
People talk great about his potential, but lets not get carried away. The guy is not yet Bret Farve.

Bress had one sub-par (Ramsey like) year, in 2003. In 2001 (rookie year) he did not play. BUt in his other two years 2002 and 2004 he had better numbers than Ramsey has ever in any NFL season. Check for yourself. Brees' QB rating in 2002 was 76.9, better than Ramsey's QB rating in ANY year. Brees had an amazing 40 passes over 20+ yards in 2002. The only diffrence between Brees' 2002 and 2004 (pro Bowl year) was that his interceptions went way down.
I am not sure what source you were using when you said, "Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!" The Press? Those guys are all pencil necked geeks and never played football in their life.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

What class do you think Ramsey is in??????
People talk great about his potential, but lets not get carried away. The guy is not yet Bret Farve.

Bress had one sub-par (Ramsey like) year, in 2003. In 2001 (rookie year) he did not play. BUt in his other two years 2002 and 2004 he had better numbers than Ramsey has ever in any NFL season. Check for yourself. Brees' QB rating in 2002 was 76.9, better than Ramsey's QB rating in ANY year. Brees had an amazing 40 passes over 20+ yards in 2002. The only diffrence between Brees' 2002 and 2004 (pro Bowl year) was that his interceptions went way down.
I am not sure what source you were using when you said, "Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!" The Press? Those guys are all pencil necked geeks and never played football in their life.

Probably the pencil necked geek's in San Diego who after drafting Bree's #1 a couple of year's earlier went and drafted River's to take his place, only a holdout kept Rivers from starting and stopped the talk of Bree's being cut.


The only difference in Bree's is his INT's went way down??????? WHY DO THINK THAT IS????????

You don't believe Ramsey's INT's will go down as he get's some protection and familiarity with this offense????

Bree's didn't play much his first year? WHY? Ramsey played his first year and very well for a rookie, you may notice as you continue to read up on your stat's that Ramsey didn't play in many game's his first couple of year's do to the fact that he was a rookie, as well as he had an injury which he played through even though he couldn't throw off his back foot, while being pummled time and again by SS's blocking schemes, then he has to come into games last season to try and bail out Brunnell and learn a new offense on the run considering Brunnel recieved most of the rep's and preperation of the new offense.

I will say this about Campbell, Brunell a seasoned veteran, and Ramsey a near genious had all they could do to try an comprehend Gibbs offense, and I am to believe this kid out of college who is green at best is going to master it, especially after his wonderlik score of 9 the first time he took it? That he will be starting next year? Perhap's? That is, if Ramsey's arm's and leg's fall off.


My source on Bree's is this Miami was offering us 2 #1's for Ramsey when talk was circulating that Bree's may be released, you don't think the Charger's knowing they were going with a new QB wouldn't have taken anything for Bree's if they could have gotten it? No one was offering the charger's anything for Bree's because they all new Bree's was on his way out the door before River's held out, Bree's has also had the opportunity of stability with Marty, yet we can't give the same oppotunity to Ramsey? I am not even concerned that Ramsey is the good's I know he is, my biggest concern is that Gibbs football mind catches up with the new era in the NFL.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by portistothehouse

.......And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep.....

Great point! I was just about to make the same point. There are more excuses for Ramsey than TD's passes he threw last year. It is everybody else's fault but Ramsey and his actual talent.