Room for Bowen?

[MTK]

The Ade is untouchable, let's just stop with this nonsense about him not making the team.

He's a lock.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Let's not forget... most popular #23. Nuff' said.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Also, to try and refrain from putting "loins", "boners" and "football" in the same sentence... one more week until training camp!

[PSUskinsfan11]

I can definatly see Bowen getting cut. If his knee isn't 100% and we have so much depth with some younger, less expensive guys who have proved themselves why not cut him. I never really liked Bowen, he always seems to get burned and I am sure this injury isn't making him much better in coverage. Who cares if he can blitz, we have plenty of DB's with enough speed and size to get to the QB.

[Gmanc711]

I dont think Bowen will get cut, especially if he returns to the form he was at last year. You have to remember that Clark got beat deep a couple times too, so I dont know that he's 100% safe, although I really like him. As has been said, Williams loves to use Bowen to blitz, and thats alot of what the defense is. I think Bowen will be safe. But to get back to your origianal question, I dont think anyone would give up anything to get him.

[GoSkins!]

I think that training camp will decide who stays and who goes. Last year Clark was a nobody. Bowen/Lott won the starting jobs. Now, Taylor clearly has the lock on one side. They are going to have to see who steps up. Much of the success these backups had was a result of coaching. Except Taylor, noone is a lock.

There will be room for Bowen if he makes room for himself.

[Defensewins]

I agree with PSUskinsfan11.
Maybe the reason Williams blitzes Bowen so much is because he is a liability in coverage. I do not hate Bowen, but he is replaceable. He played well last season, before he got hurt last year (2-3 games), but he was not very good the year or two before that.


I would not rule out this new guy Dixson so quickly. He was a second round pick, he tied for fifth in the NFL among defensive backs with three sacks. Dixon also tied for the team lead (Dallas) with two forced fumbles. Plus, Dixon was a special teams standout, leading the team with 20 special teams tackles in 2003. This guy can play. At 6' 1" and 215 pounds he brings size to the SS position, something that Lott, Prioleau and Clark lack.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not sure, but I think Dixon can also play either CB or S. So that might be an advantage for him.

[Schneed10]

Financial ramifications look like this:

Bowen has two years left on his contract. $400,000 in signing bonus money is allocated in each of 2005 and 2006. Base salary for 2005 is $1 million, and $2 million in 2006. This means his cap hits are scheduled to be $1.4 million this year, and $2.4 million next year.

If they cut him in camp, the Skins will save $600,000 on the cap this season, but will carry $400,000 in dead money on the 2006 cap. His 2006 cap number will go from $2.4 million down to $0.4 million, a savings of $2 million. Of course we'd have to pay his replacement to make the comparison fair.

I'd say cutting him is possible. Gregg Williams does like him, but he likes Ryan Clark too. Clark did a pretty good job last year. No need to give $1.4 million to Bowen when you can give peanuts to Ryan Clark and get basically the same performance.

But then again, if you release Gardner and Barrow, then you've got enough cap room to sign the rookies anyway. And at that point, you don't really need any more cap room in 2005. So under that scenario, it would probably just come down to training camp competition. Should be interesting to watch.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Financial ramifications look like this:

Bowen has two years left on his contract. $400,000 in signing bonus money is allocated in each of 2005 and 2006. Base salary for 2005 is $1 million, and $2 million in 2006. This means his cap hits are scheduled to be $1.4 million this year, and $2.4 million next year.

If they cut him in camp, the Skins will save $600,000 on the cap this season, but will carry $400,000 in dead money on the 2006 cap. His 2006 cap number will go from $2.4 million down to $0.4 million, a savings of $2 million. Of course we'd have to pay his replacement to make the comparison fair.

I'd say cutting him is possible. Gregg Williams does like him, but he likes Ryan Clark too. Clark did a pretty good job last year. No need to give $1.4 million to Bowen when you can give peanuts to Ryan Clark and get basically the same performance.

But then again, if you release Gardner and Barrow, then you've got enough cap room to sign the rookies anyway. And at that point, you don't really need any more cap room in 2005. So under that scenario, it would probably just come down to training camp competition. Should be interesting to watch.

it may come down to the money,
so we have to cut him in camp, if we don't we would have to pay 1.4 and 2.4 milllion in penalties in the next two years. If we cut him in camp we only pay .8 million this year and 400,000 next year in cap penalties?

not bad, money could be the deciding factor, we need the money and 2 million next year is a huge plus

the problem is that we really don't know bowen in GWs scheme, he didn't really play last year, the one game he was amazing 2 sacks and a forced fumble. if hee played half as well for the rest of the year he would be challanging ed reed. We can't know or expect him to continue at that pace but it is a BIG decision expecially if bowen really can put those numbers up only one out of 4 games with GW.

IN GIBBS AND WILLIAMS WE TRUST, they obviously know more about the players than we do and they will make the right decision.

[jermus22]

Beyond Springs, Harris, and Rogers at CB, I wonder about the other guys. Jimoh is so-so in coverage but the dude isn't bad on special teams. Wilds and R. Brown are both interesting prospects with plenty of potential; Wilds in particular is impressive. And what about bringing in Hawkins and Joyce? Those guys could very likely challenge for the 4th corner job. Here's my personal picks for it:

Springs (no explanation needed)
Harris (he'll begin as the starter but by late season will be the nickelback)
Rogers (will replace Harris as the starter near season's end)
Wilds (this dude will only get better)
Jimoh (character guy and ST man)
Brown (will beat out Hawkins and Joyce; price tag will be cheaper)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

it may come down to the money,
so we have to cut him in camp, if we don't we would have to pay 1.4 and 2.4 milllion in penalties in the next two years. If we cut him in camp we only pay .8 million this year and 400,000 next year in cap penalties?

not bad, money could be the deciding factor, we need the money and 2 million next year is a huge plus

the problem is that we really don't know bowen in GWs scheme, he didn't really play last year, the one game he was amazing 2 sacks and a forced fumble. if hee played half as well for the rest of the year he would be challanging ed reed. We can't know or expect him to continue at that pace but it is a BIG decision expecially if bowen really can put those numbers up only one out of 4 games with GW.

IN GIBBS AND WILLIAMS WE TRUST, they obviously know more about the players than we do and they will make the right decision.

If he's on the team this year, he counts 1.4 million against the cap. If he is cut this year, he counts 0.4 million this year, and 0.4 million next year.

But if you're already planning on getting rid of Barrow and Gardner, you don't really need anymore cap space than that. I think they'll keep Bowen around given the Lott rehab and the ST situation.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

But also remember that we only have so many roster spots.

[Davnpurt]

Isn't Bowen known for being over aggresive in run support and as a result gets beat in both open field opportunities and in general run situations? I could be wrong but isn't that the specific reason why the Packers felt like he was expendable?

Has there been any word on his rehabilitation?

[BossHog]

Lott is hurt and will be offered an injury settlement. Bowen and Dixon will fight for making the team. Not really worried about it since we have Greg Williams running the show.