Who is starting at Q.B?

MTK · 04-18-2004, 07:46 PM

I love Ramsey as much as anyone, but Brunell just gives me a feeling of security and I'm sure Gibbs feels the same way.

There's no doubt that Ramsey has the tools, but I really think that right now Brunell is the guy to lead this team back to the playoffs next year.

SKINSnCANES · 04-18-2004, 07:59 PM

This is the year the Eagles fall, the Giants rebuild, the Cowboys have already done what they can with the talent they have, which leaves the Redskins rebuilt and ready to shine!! We've got a schedule that isnt to hard, itll be so nice to get back into the playoffs again, I sure hope we do.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-19-2004, 03:35 AM

I'm a ramsey fan and have been since they drafted him and gave him the same # jersey I'd gotten as a customized jersey a couple monthes before he was drafted. that being said Brunnel is the better all around qb right now. he's what, 35+ years old and still has better feet than ramsey. he's a proven leader, accurate thrower with an underrated throwing strength. at their respective points in their careers, brunnel has a better vision of the field than Ramsey as well. I think some of these will begin to shift ramsey's way under the teachings of brunnel and gibbs in the next year or so and that he may even go in to relieve Brunnel sometime this year and win the job back. but isn't this comforting to most of you guys that we can actually have a fight over the team having two starting-quality qbs? especially after the past few years. I think I saw we've had something like 7 starting qbs over the past 5 years or something terrible like that.

EEich · 04-18-2004, 09:33 PM

I agree that the Giants are a mess and that the Cowboys haven't done much to help themselves during the off season... however, as much as it pains me to say this, the Eagles are going to be pretty good this year.

SKINSnCANES · 04-18-2004, 09:36 PM

They now have an elite receiver, but what have the 49ers done in the last few years with him?? Kearse is a great passrusher but not as solid against the run.. The main thing is there corners and linebackers will be suspect. They did pick up Dhani Jones, but still. If their running came doesnt prove its self, they dont have their three headed monster anymore (one is gone, the other coming off a big injury), then their passing game will suffer. I dont doubt that they will find ways to score but I think we can take them.

SKINSnCANES · 04-18-2004, 09:37 PM

How about Lavar Arrington meet Donovan McNabb. Then Donnocan McNabb, meet Troy Aikmen, you will be his broadcasting parter on the 'Lavar Ended Us' show.

JWsleep · 04-18-2004, 10:38 PM

I don't think it's Ramsey's "job to lose" because that was before Gibbs and co. came to town. There's a whole new system to learn, so let the best man in an open competition win the job. Probably Brunell has the edge becuase he's better at reading NFL defenses, and Gibbs likes vets. I actually think that's as it should be. Ramsey got thrown into to the fire too quickly with Spurrier. Brunell first for a year, Ramsey the year after for the SB win.

SKINSnCANES · 04-18-2004, 11:57 PM

It may have been good to let Ramsey learn a little longer, but we didnt have any other choices at the time. We really had to run with Ramsey, we knew Danny boy or Shane wasnt going ot take us anywhere.

JWsleep · 04-19-2004, 12:57 AM

I agree, but beating out Danny and Shane isn't enough to make it Ramsey's job (at least not yet!). We forget just how weak those guys were...

huntz · 04-19-2004, 01:03 AM

Remember guys. They didn't give Mark the huge contract for him not to start. The job's his to lose, and barring injury, I don't think he will.

SKINSnCANES · 04-19-2004, 02:04 AM

Brunell did get injured last year. So either way dont count Ramsey out. We've got the depth we need to hopefully take it to the next level this year.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-19-2004, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Brunell did get injured last year. So either way dont count Ramsey out. We've got the depth we need to hopefully take it to the next level this year.

if I remember right it was his elbow(a laceration or something) and it was healed up 3 or 4 weeks after it happened. the injury was just an excuse for the Jaguars to have leftwich starting.

JoeRedskin · 04-19-2004, 08:29 AM

I think Gibbs will give it to whoever he believes performs best at camp. With that said, if it's close, Gibbs will go with the veteran. And, as I think it will be a close competition, I think the job will go to Brunnell.

I think Ramsey sits this year and the first part of next. At some point, Brunnell is gonna get hurt (maybe later this year or early next) and Ramsey is going to come in and that will be the end or Brunnell's starting career - regardless of the money being paid. Ramsey has the tools and mentality to do the job well. The only question in my mind is whether or not his field vision and decision making will improve enough to take the next step.

Defensewins · 04-19-2004, 10:24 AM

Having a rocket for an arm and being tough does not make you a great QB. Look at Drew Bledsoe. The Bills are looking to cut him. Bledsoe was replaced in New England by Tom Brady, a low round draft pick that doesn't have the arm strength that Bledsoe has. But Tom Brady is smart, can read defenses, senses the pass rush, can escape and is great at executing his offense. You do not have to throw the ball 100 yards to be great. The dump off pass is important too. Two super Bowl wins later, New England does not need a rocket armed QB.
Ramsey needs to develop under the eye of Gibbs, QB coach and Brunell. As soon as Ramsey learns to unload the pass sooner, improve his foot speed and be aware of the pass rush, he will be a star. Until then, he is not ready to take us to the SB.

offiss · 04-19-2004, 11:22 AM

I can see that Ramsey's is unproven, and the safe bet is Brunnell, but what has Brunnell done to prove he has the ability to take us to a SB? I know he has lost 2 championship games, and coughlin loved him so much he fought with management to get rid of him, so as far as Im concerned he has as much to prove as Ramsey, I could care less about his number's, winning championship's is what count's, and he was on 2 team's that had an opportunity to go to a SB and he couldn't get the job done, can he do it under gibb's? Maybe, but I think patrick has just as much of an opportunity as well, I also think PR has more QB instinct's, the kid is a naturaul, where as Brunnell relied on his leg's for a lot of his success, and I don't think at his age his leg's are going to bail him out that much any more.

04-18-2004, 07:59 PM	#2
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	This is the year the Eagles fall, the Giants rebuild, the Cowboys have already done what they can with the talent they have, which leaves the Redskins rebuilt and ready to shine!! We've got a schedule that isnt to hard, itll be so nice to get back into the playoffs again, I sure hope we do. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-18-2004, 09:36 PM	#5
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	They now have an elite receiver, but what have the 49ers done in the last few years with him?? Kearse is a great passrusher but not as solid against the run.. The main thing is there corners and linebackers will be suspect. They did pick up Dhani Jones, but still. If their running came doesnt prove its self, they dont have their three headed monster anymore (one is gone, the other coming off a big injury), then their passing game will suffer. I dont doubt that they will find ways to score but I think we can take them. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-18-2004, 09:37 PM	#6
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	How about Lavar Arrington meet Donovan McNabb. Then Donnocan McNabb, meet Troy Aikmen, you will be his broadcasting parter on the 'Lavar Ended Us' show. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-18-2004, 10:38 PM	#7
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	I don't think it's Ramsey's "job to lose" because that was before Gibbs and co. came to town. There's a whole new system to learn, so let the best man in an open competition win the job. Probably Brunell has the edge becuase he's better at reading NFL defenses, and Gibbs likes vets. I actually think that's as it should be. Ramsey got thrown into to the fire too quickly with Spurrier. Brunell first for a year, Ramsey the year after for the SB win. __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-18-2004, 11:57 PM	#8
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	It may have been good to let Ramsey learn a little longer, but we didnt have any other choices at the time. We really had to run with Ramsey, we knew Danny boy or Shane wasnt going ot take us anywhere. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-18-2004, 07:46 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I love Ramsey as much as anyone, but Brunell just gives me a feeling of security and I'm sure Gibbs feels the same way. There's no doubt that Ramsey has the tools, but I really think that right now Brunell is the guy to lead this team back to the playoffs next year.

04-19-2004, 03:35 AM	#3
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	I'm a ramsey fan and have been since they drafted him and gave him the same # jersey I'd gotten as a customized jersey a couple monthes before he was drafted. that being said Brunnel is the better all around qb right now. he's what, 35+ years old and still has better feet than ramsey. he's a proven leader, accurate thrower with an underrated throwing strength. at their respective points in their careers, brunnel has a better vision of the field than Ramsey as well. I think some of these will begin to shift ramsey's way under the teachings of brunnel and gibbs in the next year or so and that he may even go in to relieve Brunnel sometime this year and win the job back. but isn't this comforting to most of you guys that we can actually have a fight over the team having two starting-quality qbs? especially after the past few years. I think I saw we've had something like 7 starting qbs over the past 5 years or something terrible like that.

04-18-2004, 09:33 PM	#4
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 61 Posts: 1,001	I agree that the Giants are a mess and that the Cowboys haven't done much to help themselves during the off season... however, as much as it pains me to say this, the Eagles are going to be pretty good this year.

04-19-2004, 12:57 AM	#9
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	I agree, but beating out Danny and Shane isn't enough to make it Ramsey's job (at least not yet!). We forget just how weak those guys were... __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-19-2004, 01:03 AM	#10
huntz Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 68 Posts: 311	Remember guys. They didn't give Mark the huge contract for him not to start. The job's his to lose, and barring injury, I don't think he will.

04-19-2004, 02:04 AM	#11
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	Brunell did get injured last year. So either way dont count Ramsey out. We've got the depth we need to hopefully take it to the next level this year. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-19-2004, 08:29 AM	#13
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	I think Gibbs will give it to whoever he believes performs best at camp. With that said, if it's close, Gibbs will go with the veteran. And, as I think it will be a close competition, I think the job will go to Brunnell. I think Ramsey sits this year and the first part of next. At some point, Brunnell is gonna get hurt (maybe later this year or early next) and Ramsey is going to come in and that will be the end or Brunnell's starting career - regardless of the money being paid. Ramsey has the tools and mentality to do the job well. The only question in my mind is whether or not his field vision and decision making will improve enough to take the next step.

04-19-2004, 10:24 AM	#14
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Having a rocket for an arm and being tough does not make you a great QB. Look at Drew Bledsoe. The Bills are looking to cut him. Bledsoe was replaced in New England by Tom Brady, a low round draft pick that doesn't have the arm strength that Bledsoe has. But Tom Brady is smart, can read defenses, senses the pass rush, can escape and is great at executing his offense. You do not have to throw the ball 100 yards to be great. The dump off pass is important too. Two super Bowl wins later, New England does not need a rocket armed QB. Ramsey needs to develop under the eye of Gibbs, QB coach and Brunell. As soon as Ramsey learns to unload the pass sooner, improve his foot speed and be aware of the pass rush, he will be a star. Until then, he is not ready to take us to the SB. Last edited by Defensewins; 04-19-2004 at 10:28 AM.

04-19-2004, 11:22 AM	#15
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	I can see that Ramsey's is unproven, and the safe bet is Brunnell, but what has Brunnell done to prove he has the ability to take us to a SB? I know he has lost 2 championship games, and coughlin loved him so much he fought with management to get rid of him, so as far as Im concerned he has as much to prove as Ramsey, I could care less about his number's, winning championship's is what count's, and he was on 2 team's that had an opportunity to go to a SB and he couldn't get the job done, can he do it under gibb's? Maybe, but I think patrick has just as much of an opportunity as well, I also think PR has more QB instinct's, the kid is a naturaul, where as Brunnell relied on his leg's for a lot of his success, and I don't think at his age his leg's are going to bail him out that much any more.

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