Presidential Race 2024

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I could not disagree with this statement more. The entire Republican Party has sold out for one Donald J. Trump. Even those who can't stand the guy kiss his ass for votes. They are heavily invested in Trump.

I meant just from my perspective. As a conservative, I'd rather have republicans control the house and senate than Trump winning.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I could not disagree with this statement more. The entire Republican Party has sold out for one Donald J. Trump. Even those who can't stand the guy kiss his ass for votes. They are heavily invested in Trump.

Just look at the Confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court or the Senate and Jim Jordon. These Republicans have sold their soul to the Devil sadly. Now they subpoena Walz yet Jordon refuse to honor the one issued for himself.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Just look at the Confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court or the Senate and Jim Jordon. These Republicans have sold their soul to the Devil sadly. Now they subpoena Walz yet Jordon refuse to honor the one issued for himself.

One of the many things the Republicans have done to piss me off is how they had decided as a group that they, and only them, are allowed to simply blow off Congressional subpeonas. They simply did not show because Trump told them not to. It's disgusting behavior and it should no longer be tollerated.

[nonniey]

So, the polls are tightening yet again, many even now predicting Trump wins. This is a reflection of the Trump team highlighting that Harris is too progressive for American tastes. Again, she needed to overcome that perception (which actually is based on reality) and now what I was saying last month is now being discussed openly by pundits left and right - that the Walz choice was a mistake (one of the reporters I heard softened it a bit by calling it a missed opportunity). Making that choice undermined her attempt to portray herself as more moderate and like I said last month may have cost her the election.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So, the polls are tightening yet again, many even now predicting Trump wins. This is a reflection of the Trump team highlighting that Harris is too progressive for American tastes. Again, she needed to overcome that perception (which actually is based on reality) and now what I was saying last month is now being discussed openly by pundits left and right - that the Walz choice was a mistake (one of the reporters I heard softened it a bit by calling it a missed opportunity). Making that choice undermined her attempt to portray herself as more moderate and like I said last month may have cost her the election.

Yes they are "tightening" but not the way you think or for the reasons you express..............


https://news.yahoo.com/news/opinion-...ight-stronger-
113000914.html

With less than 60 days before the 2024 presidential election — and on the eve of the first debate between Vice President Harris and former President Donald Trump — polls suggest that this presidential election may be the closest in modern history.
As of Labor Day, national polling averages aggregated by both FiveThirtyEight (Harris +3) and RealClearPolitics (Harris +2) show the race to be effectively tied. That’s a marked improvement for Democrats from just a few weeks ago, when Biden was the nominee.

Harris’s polling surge has led some, including The Telegraph, as well as Bloomberg’s Michael Sasso and Mark Niquette, to predict that the vice president and Democrats will win. But while not discounting the fact that Harris does lead nationally, and that Democrats are significantly stronger than they were with Biden atop the ticket, I do not agree with the Telegraph or Sasso and Niquette.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So, the polls are tightening yet again, many even now predicting Trump wins. This is a reflection of the Trump team highlighting that Harris is too progressive for American tastes. Again, she needed to overcome that perception (which actually is based on reality) and now what I was saying last month is now being discussed openly by pundits left and right - that the Walz choice was a mistake (one of the reporters I heard softened it a bit by calling it a missed opportunity). Making that choice undermined her attempt to portray herself as more moderate and like I said last month may have cost her the election.

I know I lean lefter than most but I don't see the labeling of Harris as a progressive. The only time in her career she aligned herself with the left was her 2020 campaign. As a DA and Attorney general she said she would advocate for democracy but always ended up with more moderate and mainstream views. Jailing drug users, during the banking crisis supported banking industry and not home owners the list goes on. These were all things widely supported by mainstream politicians and not the left. After her 2020 campaign she aligned herself with Biden's moderate view and neither has really pushed for democracy for the US citizenship.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I know I lean lefter than most but I don't see the labeling of Harris as a progressive. The only time in her career she aligned herself with the left was her 2020 campaign. As a DA and Attorney general she said she would advocate for democracy but always ended up with more moderate and mainstream views. Jailing drug users, during the banking crisis supported banking industry and not home owners the list goes on. These were all things widely supported by mainstream politicians and not the left. After her 2020 campaign she aligned herself with Biden's moderate view and neither has really pushed for democracy for the US citizenship.

She was ranked as the most liberal/left Senator in the Senate Even more left than Sanders. Yes, she is a progressive and is seen that way by most.

[Darrell Green Fan]

The country has lost it's collective minds. Planning a fund raiser for thugs who attacked our Capitol alone should have finished any candidate in our nation's history. At one time Republicans voted to impeach Richard Nixon who did far less than Donald J. Trump, today there is literally no line he can cross. American polltics disgusts me today. Trump is threatening to jail journalists and poltical oppenents and he is leading the polls. WTF is going on here????? The rest of the world is laughing at us.

If he wins I'll have no choice but to simply tune out poltics. In all honesty my life went virtually unchanged regardless of who was the President.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

The country has lost it's collective minds. Planning a fund raiser for thugs who attacked our Capitol alone should have finished any candidate in our nation's history. At one time Republicans voted to impeach Richard Nixon who did far less than Donald J. Trump, today there is literally no line he can cross. American polltics disgusts me today. Trump is threatening to jail journalists and poltical oppenents and he is leading the polls. WTF is going on here????? The rest of the world is laughing at us.

If he wins I'll have no choice but to simply tune out poltics. In all honesty my life went virtually unchanged regardless of who was the President.

Sadly you're correct, politician have always been a little slimey but some still would do the right thing when it came down to it but not now Republicans politicians are "Deplorable" people and like it that way.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sadly you're correct, politician have always been a little slimey but some still would do the right thing when it came down to it but not now Republicans politicians are "Deplorable" people and like it that way.

I more so blame his supporters for enabling his behavior. There is no line he can cross to them and that is just so dangerous. Politicians are politicians and they will always pander for votes. There is a reason Kevin McCarthy went from saying "I'm done with this guy" on January 7th to being his biggest ass kissers .
Votes from people who have lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I see that Kamala won the highly coveted war criminal super pac endorsement

[BaltimoreSkins]

That is based on cosponsoring bipartisan bills. Is that really the greatest indicator of progressiveness? You are taking a three decade career minimizing it to a 3.5 year segment in which she has espoused progressive views never really did much with them and then gave them up and gone back to being very moderate over the last four years in the administration she is serving.

We have a saying a cat can have kittens in the oven doesn't mean we call them biscuits. She isn't a biscuit.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

That is based on cosponsoring bipartisan bills. Is that really the greatest indicator of progressiveness? You are taking a three decade career minimizing it to a 3.5 year segment in which she has espoused progressive views never really did much with them and then gave them up and gone back to being very moderate over the last four years in the administration she is serving.

We have a saying a cat can have kittens in the oven doesn't mean we call them biscuits. She isn't a biscuit.

She's a politician, she will blow whatever way benefits her the most. If being progressive is helpful to her, then she's left of Sanders, need to be more moderate to get to be VP, ok, I'm a moderate again. She will do whatever it takes for power. And damn if it isn't working, she's very likely going to be president. Man, what a career (politicians in general). Who the hell knows what she will try to do as president, she waffles more than IHOP. It's like the ole Pelosi saying, you have to open the president to see what's inside the president. So I guess we'll find out in 2025.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

She's a politician, she will blow whatever way benefits her the most. If being progressive is helpful to her, then she's left of Sanders, need to be more moderate to get to be VP, ok, I'm a moderate again. She will do whatever it takes for power. And damn if it isn't working, she's very likely going to be president. Man, what a career (politicians in general). Who the hell knows what she will try to do as president, she waffles more than IHOP. It's like the ole Pelosi saying, you have to open the president to see what's inside the president. So I guess we'll find out in 2025.

Look at you channeling your inner Bernie Sanders! I have never been more proud of you! There is hope yet!

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

That is based on cosponsoring bipartisan bills. Is that really the greatest indicator of progressiveness? You are taking a three decade career minimizing it to a 3.5 year segment in which she has espoused progressive views never really did much with them and then gave them up and gone back to being very moderate over the last four years in the administration she is serving.

We have a saying a cat can have kittens in the oven doesn't mean we call them biscuits. She isn't a biscuit.

I said she is seen that way. We can argue whether she is or not, but pretty sure that there is no real arguing that she doesn't have that perception.