Campbell's numbers dont lie

[MTK]

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2009

[skinsfan69]

The bottom line is we have a middle of the pack QB and it may always be that way. It's not like we've got a situation that's in Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay, Carolina or KC. I mean Cleveland just benched Quinn to go back to Anderson. I don't think it's gets any worse than that.

[mike340]

Campbell is OK, no better. I think he's worse than his statistics. He can't hit a wide-open receiver (especially in stride.)
In the first drive of our last two games he has missed wide-open possible TDs
2 weeks ago: underthrew a wide-open Kelly, and if he can't throw that route he can't throw a fade. (I've never seen him successfully complete a fade pass. Think about how that impacts the defensive schemes inside the 20.)
Last week he threw a bad pass "at" Santana Moss at the 3. The only time I can remember him throwing to Moss in stride (no leap or adjustment necessary) Moss turned into a TD this last week.

I don't remember him throwing nice bombs, the most enjoyable play to watch in football. His passes don't allow the receivers to make plays since they have to leave their feet most of time unless it's a pattern from side to side. For these reasons the wide receivers all of a sudden got TDs with Collins.

Another question I have:
Is it Zorn or Campbell who decides that 5 pass plays in a row will go to Moss, 3 in a row to Cartwright, etc? I can't see the field in the telecast so I don't know who's open, but is Zorn calling play after play to the same receiver, or is Campbell checking down over and over to the same receiver? Is it really possible that Cooley wasn't getting open this game?

I'm starting to think that we should use Campbell outside the 20 and Collins inside the 20. Collins can throw a fade, so the other team would have to respect that near the goal-line. On the other hand, Collins's noodle arm wouldn't be as obvious in this range. It is interesting to note that in a pre-season poll, most on this board considered Campbell the weakest of the NFC East QBs and Collins the strongest of the backups.
I know it's not what is normally done, but does it hurt to give it a try?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Its funny. I am looking at the free agent QBs next year and I see nothing special. In the draft I see McCoy & Tebow. Don't know if Bradford's stock has dropped because of injury or not. There may be some sleepers but with our fans it would pretty much have to be a sure shot or we will run the next QB out of town also. Then we have Colt on IR. Those are pretty much our choices. Unless we make some type of trade. Which would have to be for picks and that would leave us with less picks to get a quality OL. We really aren't in a good posiiton to make a move for a QB but anything is possible. If Bradford plays well the rest of the season I think he would be the best option for an NFL ready QB. We will see starting Saturday against Miami. So I think our best bet now is to hope Campbell pans out. If he does he still might be gone because of the front office antics this offseason and the lack of support he receives from the fans. Its also depends on who our coach is next year. Another option is Vick. Ronnie Brown will be a free agent next year. That would be a good tandem to pick up. Brown is 27 though. So he would only help us for a few years. You also have Jerrious Norwoord. I just think FO has made the situation kind of sticky. The best bet is to root for JC and hope Zorn makes him into a formidable QB by the end of the year. I think he is on his way. We jsut need to have a little more patience.

[GTripp0012]

OMG, our 30+ pts scoreless streak is almost as long as our defensive touchdownless streak. Who knew?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

OMG, our 30+ pts scoreless streak is almost as long as our defensive touchdownless streak. Who knew?

Nice GTripp

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

OMG, our 30+ pts scoreless streak is almost as long as our defensive touchdownless streak. Who knew?

oh c/mon tripp. i know you're smarter than that silly ass comment you just made. lol.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

oh c/mon tripp. i know you're smarter than that silly ass comment you just made. lol.

But I mean, how often does a team score 30+ without the benefit of a defensive touchdown (or special teams). Great offenses: pretty often. Above average offenses: not so much. Even if the defensive touchdown comes completely in garbage time, it's usually the difference between 27 and 34 points or something.

On one hand, the frequency at which we score 30+ points means nothing. We could employ the chuck and duck and score 33 points a week while losing games. On the other, teams that score that much that frequently usually get contributions from playmakers on all sides of the football.

With all due respect to Santana Moss' decisive TD in Detroit on a punt return, as long as you're hung up on points, start where the deficiency is most glaring.

And yeah, the offense scores at a below average rate no matter how far you break em down. But if the point is just how inept the team is at scoring, well, let's do that.

[over the mountain]

imo our O line in pass protect this year has been pretty good, especially since we are not max protecting like years past.

[hail_2_da_skins]

49/83 (59%) 606 yds, 4 td's, 2 int's Mark Sanchez NYJ
69/102 (68%) 783 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's Jason Campbell WAS
87/142 (61%) 871 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's Tom Brady NE

According to the numbers, the Jets and the Patriots should be asking for Sanchez and Brady to be benched.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

49/83 (59%) 606 yds, 4 td's, 2 int's Mark Sanchez NYJ
69/102 (68%) 783 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's Jason Campbell WAS
87/142 (61%) 871 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's Tom Brady NE

According to the numbers, the Jets and the Patriots should be asking for Sanchez and Brady to be benched.

The problem is, the Jets are 3-0 which means Mark Sanchez is automatically labeled and all star, like Flacco was last season.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

The problem is, the Jets are 3-0 which means Mark Sanchez is automatically labeled and all star, like Flacco was last season.

The difference between them and us. They set their QBs up to suceed with good defenses and good running games. But let some people tell it. They did it all on their own. If we had the same system here JC would have had time to develop naturally. But we didn't

Same with Matt Ryan.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

The difference between them and us. They set their QBs up to suceed with good defenses and good running games. But let some people tell it. They did it all on their own. If we had the same system here JC would have had time to develop naturally. But we didn't

Same with Matt Ryan.

Really now ? So what you are saying is that Mark Sanchez learning his offense and running practices 2 weeks after being drafted was because of everyone around him ? If you put Mark Brunell in the game instead of Drew Brees then the Saints don't look like they do with Brees. When Brad Johnson went in for Dallas last year they looked like a completely different team. The fact is that Jason does nothing to help this team win. His stats look good at the end of the game but when was the last time you saw a Pass Inteference called on the defense while we have the ball ? You don't. Then guys deep ball accuracy is horrible but that is supposed to be his best throw. He doesn't throw the ball to a spot before the receiver breaks because he has to see the numbers before he throws it. How come he hardly ever calls audibles ? It's because the coaches tell him not to right ? Even when he is supposedly effective during the 2 min drill, when he gets to call his own plays does he ever beat a DB by throwing the ball on the money to a receiver ? No, they are all mid level throws that the receivers can rack up YAC because the D is in a prevent. His stats are padded. Point Blank.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Really now ? So what you are saying is that Mark Sanchez learning his offense and running practices 2 weeks after being drafted was because of everyone around him ? If you put Mark Brunell in the game instead of Drew Brees then the Saints don't look like they do with Brees. When Brad Johnson went in for Dallas last year they looked like a completely different team. The fact is that Jason does nothing to help this team win. His stats look good at the end of the game but when was the last time you saw a Pass Inteference called on the defense while we have the ball ? You don't. Then guys deep ball accuracy is horrible but that is supposed to be his best throw. He doesn't throw the ball to a spot before the receiver breaks because he has to see the numbers before he throws it. How come he hardly ever calls audibles ? It's because the coaches tell him not to right ? Even when he is supposedly effective during the 2 min drill, when he gets to call his own plays does he ever beat a DB by throwing the ball on the money to a receiver ? No, they are all mid level throws that the receivers can rack up YAC because the D is in a prevent. His stats are padded. Point Blank.

Really.

We are not talking about Mark Brunell. Brad Johnson is old that's all. But I think he did win a Superbowl after he left us. Or was that in my dreams? So you are blaming JC for us not getting Pass Interference calls? Huh? Don't know about deep ball accuracy. He hasn't thrown that many. That is something he can work on if it is an issue. Umm. So I guess he's too dumb to call audibles? When he has called the plays whether it is garbage time or not he scored. If he was so horrible he wouldn't even be able to do that.

Umm the West Coast offense is mainly intermediate throws. Your right. He puts the ball on the numbers with velocity instead of throwing to a spot or area. I woudn't blame him because our WRs keep dropping the ball. If he throws it somewhere they can catch it and he makes a completion then it really doesn't matter to me. Perfect example of throwing to an area Delhomme. He is responsible for his INTs for the most part. But some of them are because he is throwing to an area and the defense is there instead of the WR. You really want to do that with Thomas or Kelly? LOL. Even saying that Delhomme has been horrible. Maybe we should pick him up? Maybe you would be happy with a guy that throws to an area instead of completing passes. Our young receivers are not precise route runners at this point so it would be a disaster if that happened.

But you are right. He is absoultey horrible. He can't learn from his mistakes He can't grow as a QB. He is the worst QB in the NFL. He holds the ball too long. He isn't smart. He has a slow wind up release.. [end sarcasm]

Did I forget anything else? This is getting so old..

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

49/83 (59%) 606 yds, 4 td's, 2 int's Mark Sanchez NYJ
69/102 (68%) 783 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's Jason Campbell WAS
87/142 (61%) 871 yds, 3 td's, 2 int's Tom Brady NE

According to the numbers, the Jets and the Patriots should be asking for Sanchez and Brady to be benched.

Brady should be benched. He's always been a bum. The Pats should be starting Colt Brennan.