Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[Counter-Tre]

Ramsey would make a fine starter....for the L.A Avengers.

[illdefined]

read this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ports/redskins

[SKINStoWIN]

I really respect Joe Gibbs, I'm a big Skins and Nascar fan. BUT, if you not gonna play the man let him move on to somewhere he can use his talent. He has been thrown to the wolves, played hurt, what more can you ask of a guy? He just needs to be given a chance, even if its not in DC , everyone has a off day every now and then.

[MTK]

Right now things might not look pretty on the surface, but if Brunell goes out there and produces all will be quickly forgotten... well maybe not with the die hard Ramsey freaks.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right now things might not look pretty on the surface, but if Brunell goes out there and produces all will be quickly forgotten... well maybe not with the die hard Ramsey freaks.

I'm a die hard Ramsey freak....which actually is a die hard Redskin freak (I just think Ramsey will get us there). If Brunell leads us to just an 8-8 record I will say I was totally wrong and Gibbs was right. I don't need to see the playoffs, just .500 record.

People who truly know me realize that I will eat my words when proven wrong. I will change sides when I think that someone has presented a better argument. I would be a moron if I didn't.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right now things might not look pretty on the surface, but if Brunell goes out there and produces all will be quickly forgotten... well maybe not with the die hard Ramsey freaks.

What if Bruenll goes out there and looks like Brunell 2004? If you think this week was a sh*tstorm....I shutter to think what next week will be like if he plays like crap.

[SmootSmack]

How would those of you calling Gibbs a liar, hypocrite, etc. feel if Brunell had been promised the starting job last training camp, never showed any real signs that he deserved it and then got pulled after one game. Or if neither one was promised the starting job this past spring.

Basically I want to know if the issue is that Gibbs "lied" or that he "lied" to Ramsey

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

How would those of you calling Gibbs a liar, hypocrite, etc. feel if Brunell had been promised the starting job last training camp, never showed any real signs that he deserved it and then got pulled after one game. Or if neither one was promised the starting job this past spring.

Basically I want to know if the issue is that Gibbs "lied" or that he "lied" to Ramsey

if he promised it to brunell and then publicly stated ramsey was his starter for 7 months, i'd say thats much more two faced then just seeing brunell playing well and deciding to make a switch.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if he promised it to brunell and then publicly stated ramsey was his starter for 7 months, i'd say thats much more two faced then just seeing brunell playing well and deciding to make a switch.

maybe I need to reword my question, what if he publicly stated Brunell was his starter, and then made the switch?

[ArringtonRules]

This is exactly the scenario I fear. You have a young QB you have just categorically said I don't trust you and have no faith in you. Now if Brunell fails, n Gibbs has to go back to Ramsey what does that do to his confidence.
The most annoying thing is that Ramsey is not being given a fair chance. If Ramsey is given the number of chances Brunell was given I'm sure he will be QB we all envisioned. I don't blame him for asking to be traded. Why would'nt you when your coach has already made up his mind about you and is just looking for an oppurtunity for you to falter so he can put his man in.

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

What if Bruenll goes out there and looks like Brunell 2004? If you think this week was a sh*tstorm....I shutter to think what next week will be like if he plays like crap.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

What if Bruenll goes out there and looks like Brunell 2004? If you think this week was a sh*tstorm....I shutter to think what next week will be like if he plays like crap.

Do you not think Gibbs has mulled this possibility over in his mind a million times or so?

He must be pretty confident it's not going to happen if he's willing to make this switch.

[MTK]

For the people that say Ramsey wasn't given the same chance that Brunell was given last year, how many games should Ramsey have been given?

Should we have waited until we were on the brink of being eliminated from the playoff race? Should we have waited until the bye week to make a switch?

Just curious, if Ramsey was struggling and the team was losing, how long would you wait to make a change?

[VTSkins897]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

For the people that say Ramsey wasn't given the same chance that Brunell was given last year, how many games should Ramsey have been given?

Should we have waited until we were on the brink of being eliminated from the playoff race? Should we have waited until the bye week to make a switch?

Just curious, if Ramsey was struggling and the team was losing, how long would you wait to make a change?

Haha. Hopefully before 9 games right?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

For the people that say Ramsey wasn't given the same chance that Brunell was given last year, how many games should Ramsey have been given?

Should we have waited until we were on the brink of being eliminated from the playoff race? Should we have waited until the bye week to make a switch?

Just curious, if Ramsey was struggling and the team was losing, how long would you wait to make a change?

what makes you think we'd be eliminated? you're going a bit too far with the hypotheticals and assuming ramsey would suck but somehow brunell wont...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

what makes you think we'd be eliminated? you're going a bit too far with the hypotheticals and assuming ramsey would suck but somehow brunell wont...

That's why it's called a hypothetical.

Why are you assuming Brunell will suck?