Current 2014 Free Agents

[whistler]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Orakpo, nuff said.

Orakpo is not more valuable than Riley. Orakpo plays on side of the field and does it poorly. He has no ability to play in pass coverage and is a one trick pony as a pass rusher. He invites offenses to run under his up-field pass rush and does not contain. Please explain why he's better than Riley? If the Skins resign Orakpo it better be at a bargain price. Jackson/Jenkins can replace him and his numbers for less than 4 mil. per year. Value! Value! Value!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by whistler

Orakpo is not more valuable than Riley. Orakpo plays on side of the field and does it poorly. He has no ability to play in pass coverage and is a one trick pony as a pass rusher. He invites offenses to run under his up-field pass rush and does not contain. Please explain why he's better than Riley? If the Skins resign Orakpo it better be at a bargain price. Jackson/Jenkins can replace him and his numbers for less than 4 mil. per year. Value! Value! Value!

This is inaccurate.

[whistler]

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1059613]This is inaccurate.[/QUOTE


That's a great explanation! Please give reasons or at least a fact to indicate inaccuracy.

[That Guy]

as our dear friend would say, o-rap-ko.

[SFREDSKIN]

Some folks on this forum want Richie Incognito and say Jonathan Martin is worse? Well read this:

Ted Wells releases Miami Dolphins misconduct report - NFL.com

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Some folks on this forum want Richie Incognito and say Jonathan Martin is worse? Well read this:

Ted Wells releases Miami Dolphins misconduct report - NFL.com

Does anyone actually believe that the coaches didnt know about what was going on? I actually believe the reports from players that not only did Philbin know, but actually asked the OL to toughen up Martin.

And I would still rather have Incognito over Martin (Dont want either one tbh but if I had to choose one, its going to be Incognito). What happens when someone lines up over Martin and calls him a crybaby, which is going to happen if he keeps playing. Is he going to walk off the field citing abuse? Is he going to stop trying claiming he felt depressed?

I also dont see how someone who has never dealt with this stuff can give an honest assessment. If Wells did a report on every team, they would all say that abuse and bullying are present, as hazing is commonplace in the NFL. I doubt Wells spends much time with friends who call him names while he calls them names back. My friends and I are pretty harsh to each other, im sure Wells would claim that we bullied each other (why I have trouble believing much about this report) when we actually have each others back when needed.

[GTripp0012]

https://www.google.com/search?q=defi...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Basically, the opposite of your post is true.

[whistler]

Basically, my post is factual.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by whistler

Basically, my post is factual.

Your post IS factual. It is great to hear from someone that understands how to play LB. The majority of others only measure LB's by sacks, regardless of how bad a LB does not comply with his other positional responsibilities. Setting an edge against the run, containment, pass coverage, interceptions are just as important as sacks. What good is a sack or 10 if you are not holding your position down.
Orakpo is a one trick pony IMO (pass rush and only one pass rush move) and played well at the end of last season because he is playing for a contract. He has missed a TON of time due to injury and he got hurt again last season.
He is not worth a big salary cap hit. We can do better.
I am a former LB and watching Orakpo play is frustrating to watch because he has holes in his game. He is selfish. He goes for the sack rather than reading a play. Orakpo is not a good LB, he is a small DE playing LB. He does not have the mental ability to play LB.
The only argument GTripp has is pass rush and that is it.
As Seattle and SF (the two best teams in the by far) proved, is as much as the powers that be want the NFL to be a passing league, come playoffs and Superbowl, run the ball/be balanced and play lights out defense and you will win. Sacks and passing stats are the sexy stats and they sell newspapers, but running the ball and defense wins championships.
Given Dan Snyder's reputation as an NFL owner, the last thing we need to do is over pay for a player that has holes in his game. If we can Orakpo for cheap, great, keep him. Orakpo will not come for cheap. Let him walk.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Your post IS factual. It is great to hear from someone that understands how to play LB. The majority of others only measure LB's by sacks, regardless of how bad a LB does not comply with his other positional responsibilities. Setting an edge against the run, containment, pass coverage, interceptions are just as important as sacks. What good is a sack or 10 if you are not holding your position down.
Orakpo is a one trick pony IMO (pass rush and only one pass rush move) and played well at the end of last season because he is playing for a contract. He has missed a TON of time due to injury and he got hurt again last season.
He is not worth a big salary cap hit. We can do better.
I am a former LB and watching Orakpo play is frustrating to watch because he has holes in his game. He is selfish. He goes for the sack rather than reading a play. Orakpo is not a good LB, he is a small DE playing LB. He does not have the mental ability to play LB.
The only argument GTripp has is pass rush and that is it.
As Seattle and SF (the two best teams in the by far) proved, is as much as the powers that be want the NFL to be a passing league, come playoffs and Superbowl, run the ball/be balanced and play lights out defense and you will win. Sacks and passing stats are the sexy stats and they sell newspapers, but running the ball and defense wins championships.
Given Dan Snyder's reputation as an NFL owner, the last thing we need to do is over pay for a player that has holes in his game. If we can Orakpo for cheap, great, keep him. Orakpo will not come for cheap. Let him walk.

Pretty much disagree with everything here.

-He's been consistently productive his entire career, not just in a contract year.

-He missed one season out of five due to injury.

-He's a better all around LB than some fans give him credit for and he's improved in coverage. He's also solid vs the run.

-If we don't lock him up there will be plenty of teams more than willing to get their hands on him long term.

[whistler]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Pretty much disagree with everything here.

-He's been consistently productive his entire career, not just in a contract year.

-He missed one season out of five due to injury.

-He's a better all around LB than some fans give him credit for and he's improved in coverage. He's also solid vs the run.

-If we don't lock him up there will be plenty of teams more than willing to get their hands on him long term.

Bad value. Orakpo is on a 3-13 team. This not the time for a team in this position to overpay an decent rush LB, his pass coverage may have improved but it was terrible
Let another team sign him, it's time to move on from this experiment, he's an undersized rush end.
He was injured the season before the year he missed, and in that previous year his pectoral was partially torn for half the year and was largely ineffective.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by whistler

Bad value. Orakpo is on a 3-13 team. This not the time for a team in this position to overpay an decent rush LB, his pass coverage may have improved but it was terrible
Let another team sign him, it's time to move on from this experiment, he's an undersized rush end.
He was injured the season before the year he missed, and in that previous year his pectoral was partially torn for half the year and was largely ineffective.

I agree, paying Orakpo 1 million dollars per sack is crazy. He is inconsistent, and disappears to often to be considered a premier OLB. The Redskins have plenty of positions to fill, and could get 2 or 3 good free agents instead of giving a big contract to Orakpo.

Also, does anyone know the details of the D.Hall contract. I heard only 4 or 5 million of the contract was guaranteed

[NYCskinfan82]

Washington Redskins: 5 Big Free Agency Predictions RedskinsGrid5

Do you think they will let Riley walk? I think we should improve the pass rush and we might not need Byrd.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Washington Redskins: 5 Big Free Agency Predictions RedskinsGrid5

Do you think they will let Riley walk? I think we should improve the pass rush and we might not need Byrd.

I think that article is a bit ridiculous. If our FO actually proves to be stupid enough to let Riley walk while giving a huge contract to Byrd, I just might kill myself.

Although, they were right about one obvious thing: we need to resign Hall.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

I think that article is a bit ridiculous. If our FO actually proves to be stupid enough to let Riley walk while giving a huge contract to Byrd, I just might kill myself.

Although, they were right about one obvious thing: we need to resign Hall.

Yep, most of the crap in that article is horsehockey.