The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Keep DT and give me your 1st or 2nd and 3rd.

I don't think they want to get rid of that 1. If they offer Sanders or DT and a 2 I'd take that

[Schneed10]

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

ehh not if he really really wants out

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

Its the least likely of all the options but its our off season, gotta talk about something. And nothing this franchise does would ever surprise me.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

This is the throw away argument used over and over against the option of sign and trade. I do not discount this perspective, but sign and trade is clearly the best possible outcome if Kirk can't be signed here long term, so I hope that the FO at least takes a very close look at it, so we might as well do the same. In that spirit, these are the questions I have for that argument, that Cousins will most likely just play on the tag:

1. Cousins has said he prefers not to play on a one year deal. He says winning is the most important thing. He has said he wants to be where he's wanted. Even if he's kept the threat open, do you really believe that his plan is get the big pay day by playing on the tag or hitting free agency?

2. Cousins has said that he wants to test the market. He said it last year too, but the Redskins tagged him and seemingly didn't give him permission to seek other offers. If they give him permission this year after tagging him, why wouldn't he do what he's said he wants to do?

3. Cousins either really cares about his public perception, or he is just a genuine guy. Either way, if he were to ignore the Redskins permission to seek other offers, won't negotiate a long term deal here, takes a big one year pay day while hurting his team in the process, and clearly is playing somewhere he doesn't want to be, wouldn't this hurt his image both here and throughout the NFL?

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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by WillH

This is the throw away argument used over and over against the option of sign and trade. I do not discount this perspective, but sign and trade is clearly the best possible outcome if Kirk can't be signed here long term, so I hope that the FO at least takes a very close look at it, so we might as well do the same. In that spirit, these are the questions I have for that argument, that Cousins will most likely just play on the tag:

1. Cousins has said he prefers not to play on a one year deal. He says winning is the most important thing. He has said he wants to be where he's wanted. Even if he's kept the threat open, do you really believe that his plan is get the big pay day by playing on the tag or hitting free agency?

2. Cousins has said that he wants to test the market. He said it last year too, but the Redskins tagged him and seemingly didn't give him permission to seek other offers. If they give him permission this year after tagging him, why wouldn't he do what he's said he wants to do?

3. Cousins either really cares about his public perception, or he is just a genuine guy. Either way, if he were to ignore the Redskins permission to seek other offers, won't negotiate a long term deal here, takes a big one year pay day while hurting his team in the process, and clearly is playing somewhere he doesn't want to be, wouldn't this hurt his image both here and throughout the NFL?

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Exactly, I mean do people not understand that if we don't tag kirk, he walks for nothing in return?? It basically has to be a trade at this point or pay 34M.

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[MTK]

He won’t walk for nothing technically, worst case we get a compensatory pick.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

He won’t walk for nothing technically, worst case we get a compensatory pick.

Right, which is one of the reasons a trade is implausible. If he walks in free agency we get a 2019 3rd rounder as a compensatory pick.

So for a trade to make sense for us, a 3rd rounder is the starting point, and then you have to layer on additional compensation for us to consider taking the risk that Kirk might sign and play under the one year 34M tag deal.

So you’d be asking a team to not only sign Kirk to the largest QB contract in history (because remember nobody is trading for him unless they are assured he’ll sign long term), but also give up a 2nd rounder at minimum.

He’s frankly just not that good. No team will do it.

He will either sign with us, play under our tag again, or walk in free agency. There will be no trade.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Right, which is one of the reasons a trade is implausible. If he walks in free agency we get a 2019 3rd rounder as a compensatory pick.

So for a trade to make sense for us, a 3rd rounder is the starting point, and then you have to layer on additional compensation for us to consider taking the risk that Kirk might sign and play under the one year 34M tag deal.

So you’d be asking a team to not only sign Kirk to the largest QB contract in history (because remember nobody is trading for him unless they are assured he’ll sign long term), but also give up a 2nd rounder at minimum.

He’s frankly just not that good. No team will do it.

He will either sign with us, play under our tag again, or walk in free agency. There will be no trade.

San Fran just gave up a 2nd for Garoppolo, I don't understand why you're so sure no-one would do the same for Kirk.

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[jamf]

Originally Posted by WillH

San Fran just gave up a 2nd for Garoppolo, I don't understand why you're so sure no-one would do the same for Kirk.

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Garoppolo is easier to sign and his upside is probably better than Kirks.

The 49ers could still tag him for a few years or just offer 20M per year for a player with only a handful of starts.

Not only is KC looking to be the highest paid player ever, any team that trades for him has zero leverage in signing him except for maybe Kirk doesn’t want to move again.
The Redskins made Kirk into a mercenary, It’s all about the money right now.

Also, The Patriots settled for a 2nd because they knew Garoppolo wouldn’t be back and they have Brady.

Bruce is probably asking for a 1st so we can draft a qb.
No one is going to pay a 1st and the richest nfl contract ever for KC.

[skinsfan69]

Cousins has said it ain't about money so we'll see come March.

[diehardskin2982]

The sign and trade is possible because it's assumed that the Broncos are his preferred destination. The Redskins can keep Cousins from leaving for at least a year. They can also match any contract from Denver because of the Broncos cap situation. The NFL is a year-to-year business. The opportunity today may not be there tomorrow (see SF). So, if he wants to go there, Denver is going to have to pay for it.

I see us moving up to 5 and receiving a third this year or possibly a 2nd next year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

He won’t walk for nothing technically, worst case we get a compensatory pick.

a 3rd or 4th rd? That blows

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

The sign and trade is possible because it's assumed that the Broncos are his preferred destination. The Redskins can keep Cousins from leaving for at least a year. They can also match any contract from Denver because of the Broncos cap situation. The NFL is a year-to-year business. The opportunity today may not be there tomorrow (see SF). So, if he wants to go there, Denver is going to have to pay for it.

I see us moving up to 5 and receiving a third this year or possibly a 2nd next year.

I think we would all take that deal. At 5 take Allen or Mayfield and then add the talent u need around him in the other rounds.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by jamf

Garoppolo is easier to sign and his upside is probably better than Kirks.

The 49ers could still tag him for a few years or just offer 20M per year for a player with only a handful of starts.

Not only is KC looking to be the highest paid player ever, any team that trades for him has zero leverage in signing him except for maybe Kirk doesn’t want to move again.
The Redskins made Kirk into a mercenary, It’s all about the money right now.

Also, The Patriots settled for a 2nd because they knew Garoppolo wouldn’t be back and they have Brady.

Bruce is probably asking for a 1st so we can draft a qb.
No one is going to pay a 1st and the richest nfl contract ever for KC.

Don't you think they'd come down to a 2nd if they didn't have a better offer from a team he was willing to sign long term with though?

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