The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread

jsarno · 04-29-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TrustinGibbs

Drafting Palmer is a Joe Gibbs/Beatherd kinda move. The Skin's have taken QB's later in the draft and coached them up for a couple of years before they ever hit the field. It has worked out well in the past...Mark Rypien comes to mind.

Oh yeah, and I forgot...that was in 86...21 years ago!

81forHOF · 04-29-2007, 05:09 PM

Collins might find his way onto our coaching staff.

TenandSix:Unacceptable · 04-29-2007, 05:34 PM

I guess I am guilty of following the team too much, but the writing has been on the wall for almost all of these moves. Gibbs said yesterday, that we would look for LB depth later in the draft, and we got two late round DT's last year, hence no DL today. It was also obvious that if we stayed at six we were going to pick LL or Okoye. LL won out because he brings more immediate impact, is more likely worth a top contract, and he was rated higher on our draft board.

There was talk of taking a late round feeler at QB, we have very old players at second and third string. You can always stick a project QB on the practice squad for a year or two while you get to know him.

On the guard front, Bugel and Gibbs both expressed an unwillingness to go after late round projects in favor of picking up second tier players with NFL starting experience after the failed experiment of a few years ago. We went after a gaggle of those veteran players in FA and resigned Todd Wade, that's why we didn't draft a guard late. We have depth at OL and we've still got some young projects like Kili Lefotu, the guy who collapsed in his dorm room last year.

The restructuring of Reynoldo Wynn signals that the team is willing to go into the year as is, but will obviously explore trade and cap casualty pick ups. The LB's we drafted can also be special teamers. For instance, Dallas (cringe) Sartz has long arms and blocked a bunch of kicks in his career, if I am not mistaken. Last year we tried to carry fewer LB's and played special teams with more FB's and safeties than usual. The defensive line is still a huge question mark, but the team is solidifying other positions and addressing other needs at the moment. Hopefully they can add a good DE post draft at a reasonable price. We'll just have to wait and see.

Unfortunately this team just lost a lot of ground to the rest of the league in the last two days. The positive side is that they appear to be using restraint so this doesn't happen again next year, or in years to come. That's why all along I've been looking at this through a two or three year prism. Even next year, it is not like DL is going to be our only issue.

We'll be lucky if any of these late rounders makes a positive impact next year, but that is the norm and to be expected. Getting bent out of shape that we didn't address more immediate needs in the late rounds today is a bit of a reach. Those are not players you pencil in as early contributors. We are simply paying for past mistakes with the cap and with draft picks this year. But working with what little we have, the team does seem to be following through on a thought out plan. The appearance of grasping at straws stems mostly from our past blunders and the fact that this year is a year to repent and start looking towards the future without completely compromising Gibb's ability to field a competitive team next year.

rvd420 · 04-29-2007, 05:37 PM

we dont need palmer though we have bramlit playing in nfle.he would take care of that qb need.

Rajmahal33 · 04-29-2007, 09:42 PM

If landry pans out this draft is salvageable, but the point was that we f-ed up by trading away our day 1 picks and there is no getting by that. there was a lotta talent out there this year that we didn't capitalize on. The draft could have been a success if we could have wheeled and dealed our way back into the 2nd or 3rd round. Hopefully though, we have what we need without the draft, maybe a signing of a DL or two after june 1st

EXoffender · 04-29-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

If landry pans out this draft is salvageable, but the point was that we f-ed up by trading away our day 1 picks and there is no getting by that. there was a lotta talent out there this year that we didn't capitalize on. The draft could have been a success if we could have wheeled and dealed our way back into the 2nd or 3rd round. Hopefully though, we have what we need without the draft, maybe a signing of a DL or two after june 1st

It's likely we wouldn't have drafted who you thought we would have with other first day picks. There are two strategies. Draft the best player available (likely will make the team, play, and have trade value). Draft for pressing need and 'put all of your eggs into one basket'.

GusFrerotte · 04-29-2007, 10:28 PM

I don't put much stock in this season unless we do some massive trading for some younger defensive linemen via a trade with Springs/McIntosh, both of them or with Marshall in the mix. Who knows. If our D stinks agains we will suck and finsh 2nd-3rd in our division and miss the wildcard. Also we will get to see JC play an entire season and see if he is the real deal or was a stud at Auburn becasue he had 2 star RB's.

over the mountain · 04-29-2007, 05:48 PM

yeah i agree with you 10-6, but i think our window will be closed in 2-4 years when our O line is officially old . . . if we are to make a run at a SB i really think its '09 maybe '10 . . .after that we can hopefully rebuild around campbell and stock up again but it will be with a different RB, diff OL and moss might not be the game changer he is now and will be for the next 3 plus years!!

speaking of moss, i love how he can separate from defenders and create space . . . coles had great hands ala cooley but he couldnt make plays on his own like santana!!!

wish we had taken a shot with cosby but well see what happens . . .

DieHardSince76 · 04-29-2007, 05:51 PM

Excellent post, TenandSix. Let's hope for the best, but expect to be run on and to get to the opposing QB but rarely.

89moss89 · 04-29-2007, 06:28 PM

The best thing that happend in the draft for the Redskins is that they didn't trade any of next years picks away. I am thrilled about that. I wish that they would have picked the kicker from Colorado though.

Dirtbag59 · 04-29-2007, 06:31 PM

Does anyone know the status of Cory Redding? I say we trade next years 1st and Shawn Springs for Redding and a 3rd rounder. Apparently Redding doesn't want to be in Detroit anymore (who does) and has the ability to play DT and DE.

JWsleep · 04-29-2007, 06:34 PM

If Landry turns out well, this is a successful draft, IMO. It's hard to do much on the second day.

And just maybe the FO has learned the value of keeping draft picks. That would be something good to come out of all this.

Longtimefan · 04-29-2007, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWsleep

If Landry turns out well, this is a successful draft, IMO. It's hard to do much on the second day.

And just maybe the FO has learned the value of keeping draft picks. That would be something good to come out of all this.

Good point!! I was actually thinking the same thing seeing how limited we were in this draft as a result of recklessly ridding ourselves of picks in the most important rounds. Take a look at our draft picks as opposed to our division opponents:

Dallas had picks in: 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/-2 in the 6th-2 in the 7th
NYG had picks in: 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th/-2-in the 7th
Philly had picks in: 1st/2nd/3rd/5th/6th/7th
Wash. had picks in: 1st/5th/-2 in the 6th/7th

It would be great if next year our draft line looks like line one.

KnoxRedskins · 04-29-2007, 06:50 PM

We haven't traded next years draft picks yet 89moss89.. let's keep our fingers crossed that they keep those draft picks

hail_2_da_skins · 04-30-2007, 12:15 AM

This is by far the WORST draft that the Washington Redskins have had for years. It's been five years that the Skins have needed to upgrade the defensive line and every year they avoid addressing this glaring weakness. What happened to drafting for need? The biggest need on this team is not safety. It's not quarterback. It's not linebacker. It's not tight end. They needed a defensive end, BAD! They needed depth at offensive line, BAD! Marcus Washington's injury must be pretty bad to go out and trade for London Fletcher and then draft two linebackers. What's the direction on this team? I think Snyder, Gibbs and Williams have lost f$%king their minds.

04-29-2007, 05:09 PM	#2
81forHOF Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mt Holly Springs, PA Age: 53 Posts: 579	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread Collins might find his way onto our coaching staff. __________________ 81 is where he belongs!

04-29-2007, 05:34 PM	#3
TenandSix:Unacceptable Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 331	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread I guess I am guilty of following the team too much, but the writing has been on the wall for almost all of these moves. Gibbs said yesterday, that we would look for LB depth later in the draft, and we got two late round DT's last year, hence no DL today. It was also obvious that if we stayed at six we were going to pick LL or Okoye. LL won out because he brings more immediate impact, is more likely worth a top contract, and he was rated higher on our draft board. There was talk of taking a late round feeler at QB, we have very old players at second and third string. You can always stick a project QB on the practice squad for a year or two while you get to know him. On the guard front, Bugel and Gibbs both expressed an unwillingness to go after late round projects in favor of picking up second tier players with NFL starting experience after the failed experiment of a few years ago. We went after a gaggle of those veteran players in FA and resigned Todd Wade, that's why we didn't draft a guard late. We have depth at OL and we've still got some young projects like Kili Lefotu, the guy who collapsed in his dorm room last year. The restructuring of Reynoldo Wynn signals that the team is willing to go into the year as is, but will obviously explore trade and cap casualty pick ups. The LB's we drafted can also be special teamers. For instance, Dallas (cringe) Sartz has long arms and blocked a bunch of kicks in his career, if I am not mistaken. Last year we tried to carry fewer LB's and played special teams with more FB's and safeties than usual. The defensive line is still a huge question mark, but the team is solidifying other positions and addressing other needs at the moment. Hopefully they can add a good DE post draft at a reasonable price. We'll just have to wait and see. Unfortunately this team just lost a lot of ground to the rest of the league in the last two days. The positive side is that they appear to be using restraint so this doesn't happen again next year, or in years to come. That's why all along I've been looking at this through a two or three year prism. Even next year, it is not like DL is going to be our only issue. We'll be lucky if any of these late rounders makes a positive impact next year, but that is the norm and to be expected. Getting bent out of shape that we didn't address more immediate needs in the late rounds today is a bit of a reach. Those are not players you pencil in as early contributors. We are simply paying for past mistakes with the cap and with draft picks this year. But working with what little we have, the team does seem to be following through on a thought out plan. The appearance of grasping at straws stems mostly from our past blunders and the fact that this year is a year to repent and start looking towards the future without completely compromising Gibb's ability to field a competitive team next year.

04-29-2007, 05:37 PM	#4
rvd420 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 227	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread we dont need palmer though we have bramlit playing in nfle.he would take care of that qb need.

04-29-2007, 09:42 PM	#5
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread If landry pans out this draft is salvageable, but the point was that we f-ed up by trading away our day 1 picks and there is no getting by that. there was a lotta talent out there this year that we didn't capitalize on. The draft could have been a success if we could have wheeled and dealed our way back into the 2nd or 3rd round. Hopefully though, we have what we need without the draft, maybe a signing of a DL or two after june 1st __________________ McNasty FTW!

04-29-2007, 10:28 PM	#7
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread I don't put much stock in this season unless we do some massive trading for some younger defensive linemen via a trade with Springs/McIntosh, both of them or with Marshall in the mix. Who knows. If our D stinks agains we will suck and finsh 2nd-3rd in our division and miss the wildcard. Also we will get to see JC play an entire season and see if he is the real deal or was a stud at Auburn becasue he had 2 star RB's.

04-29-2007, 05:48 PM	#8
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread yeah i agree with you 10-6, but i think our window will be closed in 2-4 years when our O line is officially old . . . if we are to make a run at a SB i really think its '09 maybe '10 . . .after that we can hopefully rebuild around campbell and stock up again but it will be with a different RB, diff OL and moss might not be the game changer he is now and will be for the next 3 plus years!! speaking of moss, i love how he can separate from defenders and create space . . . coles had great hands ala cooley but he couldnt make plays on his own like santana!!! wish we had taken a shot with cosby but well see what happens . . .

04-29-2007, 05:51 PM	#9
DieHardSince76 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: VA Age: 71 Posts: 23	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread Excellent post, TenandSix. Let's hope for the best, but expect to be run on and to get to the opposing QB but rarely.

04-29-2007, 06:28 PM	#10
89moss89 Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PENNSYLVANIA Age: 57 Posts: 29	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread The best thing that happend in the draft for the Redskins is that they didn't trade any of next years picks away. I am thrilled about that. I wish that they would have picked the kicker from Colorado though.

04-29-2007, 06:31 PM	#11
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread Does anyone know the status of Cory Redding? I say we trade next years 1st and Shawn Springs for Redding and a 3rd rounder. Apparently Redding doesn't want to be in Detroit anymore (who does) and has the ability to play DT and DE. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

04-29-2007, 06:34 PM	#12
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread If Landry turns out well, this is a successful draft, IMO. It's hard to do much on the second day. And just maybe the FO has learned the value of keeping draft picks. That would be something good to come out of all this. __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-29-2007, 06:50 PM	#14
KnoxRedskins Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread We haven't traded next years draft picks yet 89moss89.. let's keep our fingers crossed that they keep those draft picks

04-30-2007, 12:15 AM	#15
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 69 Posts: 868	Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread This is by far the WORST draft that the Washington Redskins have had for years. It's been five years that the Skins have needed to upgrade the defensive line and every year they avoid addressing this glaring weakness. What happened to drafting for need? The biggest need on this team is not safety. It's not quarterback. It's not linebacker. It's not tight end. They needed a defensive end, BAD! They needed depth at offensive line, BAD! Marcus Washington's injury must be pretty bad to go out and trade for London Fletcher and then draft two linebackers. What's the direction on this team? I think Snyder, Gibbs and Williams have lost f$%king their minds. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

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