Redskins vs Ravens Gameday thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah I have proof. My own damn eyes! My point is why aren't they over w/ the coaches and the players? I just don't like the vibe of it. It's like, "we're too good for the pre season and we're going to hang out w/ the owner and his butt buddy". Chris Samuels was out there and IMO he's more valuable than CP.

So they stood there the whole time, didn't do anything with the team... Please thats ridiculous. CP and Moss are out busting their tails at practice and with the team. DS and VC talk to most all the players, and I think you are reading way too much in to a normal scene.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What really pissed me off was CSN had a camera on Snyder and Cerrato before the game talking with Portis and Moss. Just the 4 of them. I just don't get why these two are not getting the reps in when they were two important starters on one of the worst offenses in the NFL. If Randy Moss is playing and running deep pass patterns then these two should certainly be on the field. They need the work! It starts w/ the head coach and he just doesn't command the respect of some players.

Its not that the head coach doesnt command respect, it that players like Portis & Moss know they dont have to answer to Zorn because DS will back them no matter what. Moss & Portis work for DS, not Zorn. The chain of command is screwed up and until the players kknow the head coach is in charge of the team no matter what (and get backed by the front office) the Skins will continue to struggle as on organization.

That said, I dont have a problem with vets not playing in the first pre season game.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by irish

Its not that the head coach doesnt command respect, it that players like Portis & Moss know they dont have to answer to Zorn because DS will back them no matter what. Moss & Portis work for DS, not Zorn. The chain of command is screwed up and until the players kknow the head coach is in charge of the team no matter what (and get backed by the front office) the Skins will continue to struggle as on organization.

That said, I dont have a problem with vets not playing in the first pre season game.

I don't think it's that big a deal w/ them talking to DS and Vinny before the game.

With that being said I don't thing Jim Zorn commands the respect other coaches might get. How could he? Snyder hires the coaches, brings in the players, etc. Snyder hired the coaches before Zorn even came in.

[irish]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I don't think it's that big a deal w/ them talking to DS and Vinny before the game.

With that being said I don't thing Jim Zorn commands the respect other coaches might get. How could he? Snyder hires the coaches, brings in the players, etc. Snyder hired the coaches before Zorn even came in.

I agree Zorn doesnt get the respect other coaches get because other coaches know the front office has their back and they are in charge of the team. With the Skins the head coach isnt in charge of the team, the owner is, the players know it and hence any authority Zorn has is undermined. Thats not the way successful teams work.

[Lotus]

I feel sorry for Colt. He waited many months for that opportunity and it did not go well for him. That's my negative.

No one got seriously hurt. That's my positive.

Everything else was a learning experience. I'd rather someone like Tryon learn lessons last night than have him learn them in the regular season.

Chill people, please chill.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really? I actually thought the O Line looked pretty decent

I have the game recorded, and I went back and looked again. Not sure what game you guys were watching, but I felt like the Oline was pretty pathetic.

The 2nd drive for Campbell, 1st down had great pass-pro, and JC threw a strike to ARE for the 1st down. 1st and 2nd down runs, then the disaster of a line showed their true colors. It is 7vs4, they leave Cooley and Betts alone to handle a guy, and Rhinehart/Raback/Dockery are just "floating in open space doing nothing". When we have 7 guys blocking 4, Jason should have time to make a sandwich back there.....IMO pretty sad.

[firstdown]

For two weeks I have read nothing but post after post that the O line was crap. The starters and 2nd team was really the bright spot last night but some of that might be from all the negative I've heard. Now, I guess I'm going to have and read post after post that Betts needs to go after one preseason game. I know we looked bad but its just one preseason game so lets give it a week or 2 and then assess where we are.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by roth74va

I have the game recorded, and I went back and looked again. Not sure what game you guys were watching, but I felt like the Oline was pretty pathetic.

The 2nd drive for Campbell, 1st down had great pass-pro, and JC threw a strike to ARE for the 1st down. 1st and 2nd down runs, then the disaster of a line showed their true colors. It is 7vs4, they leave Cooley and Betts alone to handle a guy, and Rhinehart/Raback/Dockery are just "floating in open space doing nothing". When we have 7 guys blocking 4, Jason should have time to make a sandwich back there.....IMO pretty sad.

I heard that...what I saw was no glaring standouts on the O-Line.

I don't think people are factoring the fact that we couldnt run as part of the O-Line's problem. It was 1.5 yards and a cloud of dust for Betts and then pass protection for short routes only.

That is by no means a good report card for the offensive line. We didn't even score points and if that's not bad enough for you then we barely got past the 50 yard line.

Saying "it's just a preseason game" goes both ways. We barely managed to get past midfield against another NFL team's preseason squad. Poor results if you ask me.

[Chico23231]

Firstdown I have been one very critical the last several weeks of the O-line and the FO plan to fix it. I thought the first team O-Line played pretty descent last nite. Protection was good. Cooley missed a block but that was it. The Right Side didnt get much of a push for Betts in the run game, but thats the Ravens run D, its been ass kicking for 10 years straight. Would like nothing better to see more improvement.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I heard that...what I saw was no glaring standouts on the O-Line.

I don't think people are factoring the fact that we couldnt run as part of the O-Line's problem. It was 1.5 yards and a cloud of dust for Betts and then pass protection for short routes only.

That is by no means a good report card for the offensive line. We didn't even score points and if that's not bad enough for you then we barely got past the 50 yard line.

Saying "it's just a preseason game" goes both ways. We barely managed to get past midfield against another NFL team's preseason squad. Poor results if you ask me.

Well no one did Tee but we appreciate your thoughts anyhow.

[exit0]

Regardless of being a preseason game or not, the offense just sucks. No points, no good drives, etc, etc. I fear just like last year, the receivers hardly get open by much and the opposing defense can really cheat up and not have to lay back. Until they prove me wrong, I'm afraid it's going to be another of year of great defense and poor offense. Seems that the Skins offense continues to give the other team a short field to have to move for points.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by exit0

Regardless of being a preseason game or not, the offense just sucks. No points, no good drives, etc, etc. I fear just like last year, the receivers hardly get open by much and the opposing defense can really cheat up and not have to lay back. Until they prove me wrong, I'm afraid it's going to be another of year of great defense and poor offense. Seems that the Skins offense continues to give the other team a short field to have to move for points.

Well your jumping on the O but your giving the D a pass after they gave up 500 yards?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really thought the OLine looked good, well the first and seconds. Campbell was not touched, I don't think, except for a blown block by Betts. And Collins seemed to have time as well. Also, I would point out that the D we were playing was no slouch.
I think I said this before, we got a good break with our preseason schedule, because the offense is going to get tested by the best of the best defenses. Maybe they won't rise up, but if our O can be forged into something better than last year, these are the teams we should be playing.

We beat Indy in the opener last year, didn't mean much. I don't think this loss will mean much either.

And yes I am disappointed.

If you and I are thinking about the same play, then it was Cooley who missed his block, while Betts actually saved Campbell from getting blasted. That was also the same play which showed Rinehart, Rabach and Dockery with all of their arms spread out looking for someone to hit -- Rabach was getting dressed down on the sidelines by a coach immediately afterwards.

Good point about the defenses we'll be facing -- but I always cringe when I hear excuses being made for a poor performance because the opponent has a really good defense ... If we're aren't good enough to beat the best, then there's no point in playing. In every sport, the object is to be the champion. Not just be good against average teams.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If you and I are thinking about the same play, then it was Cooley who missed his block, while Betts actually saved Campbell from getting blasted. That was also the same play which showed Rinehart, Rabach and Dockery with all of their arms spread out looking for someone to hit -- Rabach was getting dressed down on the sidelines by a coach immediately afterwards.

Good point about the defenses we'll be facing -- but I always cringe when I hear excuses being made for a poor performance because the opponent has a really good defense ... If we're aren't good enough to beat the best, then there's no point in playing. In every sport, the object is to be the champion. Not just be good against average teams.

I saw the play, and blamed Betts apparently incorrectly, but either way the point that the front 5 held there own against a top tier D. I am sure that was one of Zorn's concerns was to see how the oline was playing, before putting more 3 or 4 wr sets in.

I am not trying to make excuses, but it is true in any practice session you hone skills, with winning as the secondary task. If Zorn was using this game in an evaluation mode, putting players in tough spots and now he teaches from that, and they get better than great. If he went in with a gameplan to "win" and that was the best they can do, than we are in serious trouble.

Time will tell. I always thought Gibbs used preseason tremendously, even though he didn't always win the individual games.

[over the mountain]

i missed the first half but listened to most of it on the radio. i figured harbaugh was not going to lose in the first game of the season in front of his rabid home town fans, even if it was preseason. from all the interviews ive heard, giving your hometown fans and team and positive start is important.

to that end . . . did the ravens leave their 1st team O out there longer than ours so that it was really ravens 1st team O v our 2nd team D or was it that second ravens drive that lasted so long that gave me that impression?

i think if this was at fed ex and the first ps game, the skins would have been much more focused on winning.

go skins!!