2013 NFL Draft Prospects

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

They said the same about Vontaze Burfict and others. i will use a 3rd on him.

What about the guy from the Rams, almost won defensive rookie of the year. Some guys grow up.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

What about the guy from the Rams, almost won defensive rookie of the year. Some guys grow up.

Janoris Jenkins, some weed is what people are saying he shouldnt be touched unitl the 6th round for.

[Gtothearry]

Some weed could cost the Skins big time if Trent or Fred pick it up again.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

You sure about not having first round talent? Again that was said about Brandon Flowers as well. Not many have elite speed, but I think 4.4 to 4.5 is fast enough for him.

Except flowers excels with man coverage and yes I am sure, a lot of NFL analysts didnt have him as a first round prospect. Unlike Jenkins, burfict or othe players that had first round grades but dropped. I loved Jenkins and burfict coming out, but I don't think Matthieu is in the same ball park because he doesn't have the same NFL skills those players have. Still I like him in the later rounds. Not the third though.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Except flowers excels with man coverage and yes I am sure, a lot of NFL analysts didnt have him as a first round prospect. Unlike Jenkins, burfict or othe players that had first round grades but dropped. I loved Jenkins and burfict coming out, but I don't think Matthieu is in the same ball park because he doesn't have the same NFL skills those players have. Still I like him in the later rounds. Not the third though.

What's so special about Mathieu? He's too small, he's not particulary fast, and he's not much of a tackler. Even in the later rounds, we can find CB's who are bigger, faster, and better pro prospects than Mathieu.

Adrian Bushell, Blidi Wreh-Wilson, and Leon McFadden come immediately to mind. Check them out.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What's so special about Mathieu? He's too small, he's not particulary fast, and he's not much of a tackler. Even in the later rounds, we can find CB's who are bigger, faster, and better pro prospects than Mathieu.

Adrian Bushell, Blidi Wreh-Wilson, and Leon McFadden come immediately to mind. Check them out.

Too Small? Same size as Brandon Flowers so that isn't an issue, not particulary fast? I would say a 4.5 is fast enough to play CB/S, not much of a tackler? Led LSU in tackles in 2011 with pro prospects such as Morris Claiborne, Brandon Taylor, Kevin Minter, Ryan Baker, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Michael Brockers, Eric Reid, Ron Brooks, and Anthony Johnson. Also, was a heisman finalist from the CB position and can return kicks. But, yeah he sucks. If he hadn't gotten kicked off the team for smoking pot would anyone be saying what is so special about him. But that too small argument is an agrument that needs to be put to bed forever. If the man can play, he can play

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Except flowers excels with man coverage and yes I am sure, a lot of NFL analysts didnt have him as a first round prospect. Unlike Jenkins, burfict or othe players that had first round grades but dropped. I loved Jenkins and burfict coming out, but I don't think Matthieu is in the same ball park because he doesn't have the same NFL skills those players have. Still I like him in the later rounds. Not the third though.

76 tackles 1.5 sacks 6 forced fumbles 4 fumble recoveries 2 interceptions is a first round talent to me, I get he hasnt played in a year but to say he isnt worth more than a late round (5th-7th) is a bit of a stretch. Someone will take a chance on him in the 2nd or 3rd and get a special player.

[CultBrennan59]

Mathieu is the same heigh as antonie winfield. Its more so his weight that isn't NFL effective-a reported 178lbs. His speed is good. His stats are good. LSUs defense would use him in special packages to cover up his poor man coverage skills. Yes he did play man, but not as much as he played zone or blitzed.

I've said it before with mathieu, he can play. And if he can't play defense in the nfl, then the least he can do is be a great kick and punt returner. 3rd round is the earliest I'm going to get him.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

76 tackles 1.5 sacks 6 forced fumbles 4 fumble recoveries 2 interceptions is a first round talent to me, I get he hasnt played in a year but to say he isnt worth more than a late round (5th-7th) is a bit of a stretch. Someone will take a chance on him in the 2nd or 3rd and get a special player.

He also allowed 8.8 YPA as compared to claibornes 7.5, and Claiborne went against the best receivers. Stats don't always tell the entire story. If you are going to draft mathieu you have to realize you will have to disguise a lot of his weaknesses. Like I said, he isn't a good true NFL corner. But he is a playmaker. But the skins will still be giving up big plays.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by donofriose

He also allowed 8.8 YPA as compared to claibornes 7.5, and Claiborne went against the best receivers. Stats don't always tell the entire story. If you are going to draft mathieu you have to realize you will have to disguise a lot of his weaknesses. Like I said, he isn't a good true NFL corner. But he is a playmaker. But the skins will still be giving up big plays.

Is other name DeAngelo Hall?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Mathieu is the same heigh as antonie winfield. Its more so his weight that isn't NFL effective-a reported 178lbs. His speed is good. His stats are good. LSUs defense would use him in special packages to cover up his poor man coverage skills. Yes he did play man, but not as much as he played zone or blitzed.

I've said it before with mathieu, he can play. And if he can't play defense in the nfl, then the least he can do is be a great kick and punt returner. 3rd round is the earliest I'm going to get him.

Except Winfield has actual cover skills. Mathieu doesn't have good cover speed. What I mean by that is you see some defenders get beat but they recover but mathieu doesn't have that. Like I said you put him in space/blitz he will make plays but if you expect him to go against victor Cruz and play well. He will get beat often. Later rounds is probably where he will and should go.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Except Winfield has actual cover skills. Mathieu doesn't have good cover speed. What I mean by that is you see some defenders get beat but they recover but mathieu doesn't have that. Like I said you put him in space/blitz he will make plays but if you expect him to go against victor Cruz and play well. He will get beat often. Later rounds is probably where he will and should go.

I was just saying he's the same height as Winfield. Never said he covers like him, Todd.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I am playing him at safety anyways if I draft him, we will have to agree to disagree here. Either away I want him, reminds me of Troy Polamalu, not the best in coverage but always around the ball making playd. Plus he is a good return Man.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Vontaze had first round talent, Mathieu was not a first round prospect even before getting kicked off. He was a second round prospect that struggles in man to man, lacks elite speed and lacks size. But he should be available in the later rounds and would definitely be worth taking by then.

Not sure I"m buying that. He wouldn't have went undrafted simply due to character concerns alone. Much of the concerns were about his football ability as well.

Mayock calls Vontaze Burfict a “non-draftable kid” | ProFootballTalk

NFL Network’s Mike Mayock doesn’t think there’s a whole lot left to talk about. He has Burfict rated as an undrafted free agent.

“I put his tape on with absolutely zero preconceived notions,” Mayock explained in a Thursday conference call with media. “I watched three tapes and really didn’t like him as a football player.

“I think he’s a non-draftable kid. For me, he’s a free agent.”

Mayock was probably one of the only few that graded him as undraftable. (on talent alone)


Now, whether Vontaze used that as motivation to be better is another story all together. We really don't know if he's going to sustain this or go back to being aloof with his career once he thinks he's made it.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I am playing him at safety anyways if I draft him, we will have to agree to disagree here. Either away I want him, reminds me of Troy Polamalu, not the best in coverage but always around the ball making playd. Plus he is a good return Man.

Troy Polamalu weighs 210 pounds. Tyrann Mathieu weighs 175 pounds.

If we draft Mathieu as a CB I'll be fine with it, even though I think there are better CB prospects out there. He might make it at CB but a 175 pound safety isn't going to hold up physically in the NFL.