ESPN Mock Draft concerning the Redskins

[dmek25]

that sounds alot like someone we just let go

[That Guy]

since 2000:
our first rounders that have gone to pro-bowls - chris samuels, lavar, champ, sean taylor (alt)

including guys that made the PB on our rosters we didn't draft: marco coleman, springs (alt)

2nd rounders: stephen alexander

including those not drafted here: marcus washington

3rd rounders not drafted here: coles


not counting the alts, that 4 1sts, 2 2nds, and 1 3rd... seems the higher the round the higher the chance of Pro Bowls... all the 1st rounders also made multiple pro bowls. the 2nd and 3rd rounders made 1 each.

[SmootSmack]

But also the higher the round the higher the publicity. The higher the publicity the higher the chances of getting into the Pro Bowl.

I think we all know that the reality is that the Pro Bowl is a tough measure of true worth and success because so much of it is popularity, and not performance, based.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But also the higher the round the higher the publicity. The higher the publicity the higher the chances of getting into the Pro Bowl.

I think we all know that the reality is that the Pro Bowl is a tough measure of true worth and success because so much of it is popularity, and not performance, based.

he brought it up, I just thought i'd point out his logic is a bit flawed if he thinks most 1st rounders are busts. If that were true why pay scouts or measure guys? why not just draw names out of a hat?

A truer measure is retention rate (average length of career in the NFL)... I'm sure you'll see a huge disparity there as well though.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he brought it up, I just thought i'd point out his logic is a bit flawed if he thinks most 1st rounders are busts. If that were true why pay scouts or measure guys? why not just draw names out of a hat?

A truer measure is retention rate (average length of career in the NFL)... I'm sure you'll see a huge disparity there as well though.

I'm working on finding a like but ESPN did this segment on 1'st rounders couple of weeks ago. They basically said in the last 7 drafts only 28 first round players went to the pro bowl. Just because you get picked in the first round doesn't mean you are very good nor does it guarantee success in the next level.

I thought he was faster than 4.8 in the 40, guess I was wrong. Still, when the whistle blows I would rather he be on my side.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm working on finding a like but ESPN did this segment on 1'st rounders couple of weeks ago. They basically said in the last 7 drafts only 28 first round players went to the pro bowl. Just because you get picked in the first round doesn't mean you are very good nor does it guarantee success in the next level.

I thought he was faster than 4.8 in the 40, guess I was wrong. Still, when the whistle blows I would rather he be on my side.

that's incomplete information though... how many 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders went during that time? how many pro bowlers were making those pro bowls that were 1st, 2nd, etc rounders rafted further back than that?

how many were repeat pro bowlers? how many TOTAL pro bowl appearances belong to those 28 1st rounders (and the 1st rounder making appearances before them)? You can't really count the last two drafts either cause it takes a while for some guys to ramp up. I'm sure taylor will make a few, but he hasn't yet.

champ has 5, lavar 3... single players can eat up a lot of those slots, and more 1st rounders repeat... then you have guys like manning, moss, faneca, etc that are first rounder from 8+ years ago still making pro bowls.

[Dirtbag59]

Usually players in the bottom part of the 1st round are expected to be solid starters (QB's and RB's don't have this luxury WR's can but not always). Last years examples are guys like Travis Johnson, Alex Spencer, Luis Castilo, Marlin Jackson. Alex Barron, Thomas Davis, Jamal Brown. The teams that drafted them don't expect these guys to be pro bowlers but they do expect them to be dependable starters that they feel comfortable with.

As That Guy said before, the retention rate is a better measure of 1st round success. However if you take a player in the Top 10 and their not being considered for the Pro Bowl year after year you got yourself a bust (For example if Jon Jansen had been a top 10 pick we wouldn't be calling him a bust)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm working on finding a like but ESPN did this segment on 1'st rounders couple of weeks ago. They basically said in the last 7 drafts only 28 first round players went to the pro bowl. Just because you get picked in the first round doesn't mean you are very good nor does it guarantee success in the next level.

I thought he was faster than 4.8 in the 40, guess I was wrong. Still, when the whistle blows I would rather he be on my side.

You said just because you get picked in the first round does not mean you are very good. Any player that is drafted in the first day has done alot to get there and they are all good. Now, if they can step up to the next level is always to be seen. I just feel we do not give guys credit for just getting on the field and even having a chance to make a team. Do you realize how many kids start in junior high then high school then college and the pool just keeps getting smaller until they reach the draft. I know all of you know this I just thought we should remember all of the accomplishments this kids have made just to get here . Hopefully the skins can pick the best from among them with the picks we have and the positions we need to fill.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I also really don't know what the knock on Daniels is. He had a GREAT season, batting numerous passes and pressuring the QB if NOT getting to him.

[budw38]

I doubt we draft a corner at 53 , we have 3 proven corners and two young kids we have been developing < Jimoh and Patterson > . Maybe in the 5thrd we go corner . Lb , if D. Ryans falls to 53 , we probably take him , the other Lb who may drop to us is Mcintosh ,, he has a history of back and shoulder inj's ,,, that is too riscky at 53 . If Tapp or any DL man who can pass rush is at 53 , take him ,,, nobody wins a super bowl without a strong pass rush !

[SPEAR CHUCKER CHIEF]

The reason i would love to have another pass rusher is that helps with the pass coverage and i'm not saying daniels is bad but he going over 30 so is everyone else on the dline exceept griffith. Hey i love to have the backer from miami but look at the giants they drafted that kid who had 12 sacks in the first round 3 yrs ago and last year drafted tuck. Our line is good at run stuffing but not great at pass rushing,williams does a great job of getting production from the backers like washington and hopefully clemons. It seems to me the skins never address the need on the dline unless we go thruogh fa. And i still havent gotten over stubblefield n big daddy. Heck we still might need another corner, springs over 30, rogers is good with that kid from jacksonville, but would like to have another corner besides jomo.

[That Guy]

jimoh and patterson will never be starters. they're street scrubs.

[budw38]

I doubt that Springs , Rogers and Wright all go down this year , so Jimoh and Patterson will not see much action . We do need a safety who can run , and we have no depth there , and Taylor still has a trial to go through . Bring in Sharper or Polley at lb , bring back # 28 at corner and draft a pass rushing deamon ,,,, we will nickname him SON IN LAW !!!!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by budw38

I doubt that Springs , Rogers and Wright all go down this year , so Jimoh and Patterson will not see much action . We do need a safety who can run , and we have no depth there , and Taylor still has a trial to go through . Bring in Sharper or Polley at lb , bring back # 28 at corner and draft a pass rushing deamon ,,,, we will nickname him SON IN LAW !!!!

Something is telling me it gets dismissed due to DJ Dirty Sanchez.

[That Guy]

harper is ancient, polley sucks, we could use another safety, but cb is also still a need. nickel corners play a lot, and springs is old. not a dire or immediate need, but its still there.