Preseason NFC Rankings: Trailing the Giants and Cowboys?

[BigSKINBauer]

"you might have the best wr corps in our division not based on talent (moss and cooley are great) but more of the system your team employs wich is more pass oriented than ours wich is more run/ clock manegment. "

Then i bet you wish you had our line and Portis

[D'BOYZ]

you say you base on paper but you still also at the end go down to scenarios saying you don't know what TO will do ok let's say paper wise ok just plain talent.
not counting what iff ok

TO > MOSS
Glenn > Randall
Crayton/ Fasano < Lloyd
Witten = Cooley
JJ/Barber < Portis
Bledsoe = Brunell ( I'm giving = because they both close bad the season even thought I prefer Bledsoe any day of the week but here we can agree to disagree)

So on Paper is this accurate?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

HAHAHA What?! I'm glad you pointed that out BSB. Our team is more pass-oriented?!?!?! Come on now. You were presenting a decent argument until that.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

you say you base on paper but you still also at the end go down to scenarios saying you don't know what TO will do ok let's say paper wise ok just plain talent.
not counting what iff ok

TO > MOSS
Glenn > Randall
Crayton/ Fasano < Lloyd
Witten = Cooley
JJ/Barber < Portis
Bledsoe = Brunell ( I'm giving = because they both close bad the season even thought I prefer Bledsoe any day of the week but here we can agree to disagree)

So on Paper is this accurate?

Hmmmmm. I would give you that. Honestly though, I still think Moss brings more to the table. It's just TOs past dominance. I think Moss is just now beginning to dominate, but I'll give you that.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Actually I checked the stats on the whole rush-pass thing. I retract my previous statement, HOWEVER the Skins without a doubt had a more prolific running attack and Dallas had a few more attempts than the Skins but without getting near the yardage per game the Skins had.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The good thing is, the Cowboys were right behind the Skins in rushes for the year, but the Skins averaged more than half a yard more.

[saden1]

Not everyone in the NFC will go or can go to the playoffs (or could they?) so it is only logical that at least two teams in the NFC won't make it and therefore there is really no point in placing all the teams at the top of the NFC.

It's hard to predict right now who can win the division but we certainly say Philly is the underdog in the division. The Cowboys are a good team and to discount them would be a big mistake. Remember, the last server really close games last year. The loss of the aging Larry Allen isn't as significant as some might think. The Giants overachieved last year. I'm not sure if the same can be expected from them this year, especially if their DB situation doesn't improve. Plaxico and Shockey taking plays off doesn't help either. Getting Sam Madison should help and if Arrington can get back to form, they'll have a very solid LB corp.

[GTripp0012]

I'll rank em:

1. Washington
2. Chicago
3. Carolina
4. Tampa Bay
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Arizona
8. Giants
9. Falcons
10. Vikings
11. Eagles
12. Saints
13. 49ers
14. Lions
15. Rams
16. Packers

[mheisig]

[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I don't like to quote the hole thing so about this matter you say that you based it on last year production of every receiver and you say you've the best WR corps in the division. But if we really go for production man your way off and to say "maybe" Glenn that's lame you know he was the 9th best receiver in the NFC and the #1 in yard per catch right.

So let's see.

WAS
Moss 1483 yds 9td
Randall El 558 1 td
Lloyd 733yds 5td
Cooley 774yds 7td
3548 yards 22td

DAL
TO 763 6td (in 7 games on pace for 1744ydss and 14td ) the TD more of a reallity than the yards being that the year before he posted 14td in 14 games and 1200yards so lets say 1500 yards for the fun of it.
Glenn 1136 7td
Witten 757 4td
Crayton/Fasano ?

3393 yards and 25 td without counting crayton or Fasano who are going to be our fourth receiver

But I agree you, that you might have the best wr corps in our division not based on talent (moss and cooley are great) but more of the system your team employs wich is more pass oriented than ours wich is more run/ clock manegment.

And I'm not playing what if scenarios I'm playing facts games with FG of no more than 30+ yards that every kicker with no wind should make that resulted in a loss the denver game shouldn't had gone to OT if the FG was made with less then 3 min to end the game, made any of the 2 missed field goals you don't go to OT, seattle game make the FG at least you push for OT even with the stupid play DB made at the end of the game or he wouldn't had been force to do it and won the game and Was leading 16 -0 even if you made your 2 miracle late td in the last 4 minutes you should had been force to make both 2 point convertion to force OT and I'm sayin 11-5 that's 2 out of 3 with a good kicker I'm not counting fumbles or other plays like the Ron dayne run that should hed been a holding.

I'm calling makable plays, not ferry land where you say if he hand't fumble or catch a pass I'm talking FG that weren't block that should be made easy not 50 yarder type 30 freaking yards. that's how close that team was for going 2 the playoffs

Trying to guess what TO WOULD have done had he played the entire season is just retarded. TO racked up the stats that he got, nothing more, nothing less. Like Malcom said, he's a complete wildcard, so arguing that he'll produce what he produced last year for the first 7 games and the continue that pace for the rest of the season is just dumb. It's dumb with any player, let alone TO.

Arguing that you would have had such-and-such a record if this play had gone that way or that one went this way is just as equally pointless. Often times football is a game of chance, inches, and which way the ball bounces. Every single team in the NFL could argue that "Well, had we just gotten that play right or had this field goal go this way, then we would've made it." You're blinded by your love for the Cowboys and your line of reasoning would lead to justifying all 32 teams as Super Bowl winners last year.

A Super Bowl champion team is one that is talented, of course. But they're also the one that can overcome the missed field goal, busted play, etc. That's what the game is really about - how is your team going to overcome the adversity, not what excuses can we make to justify whatever random record you pull out of your ass.

[GTripp0012]

[quote=mheisig]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Trying to guess what TO WOULD have done had he played the entire season is just retarded. TO racked up the stats that he got, nothing more, nothing less. Like Malcom said, he's a complete wildcard, so arguing that he'll produce what he produced last year for the first 7 games and the continue that pace for the rest of the season is just dumb. It's dumb with any player, let alone TO.

Arguing that you would have had such-and-such a record if this play had gone that way or that one went this way is just as equally pointless. Often times football is a game of chance, inches, and which way the ball bounces. Every single team in the NFL could argue that "Well, had we just gotten that play right or had this field goal go this way, then we would've made it." You're blinded by your love for the Cowboys and your line of reasoning would lead to justifying all 32 teams as Super Bowl winners last year.

A Super Bowl champion team is one that is talented, of course. But they're also the one that can overcome the missed field goal, busted play, etc. That's what the game is really about - how is your team going to overcome the adversity, not what excuses can we make to justify whatever random record you pull out of your ass.

It reminds me of my friend who projected Larry Johnson's stats over 16 games...leaving his numbers from the first 7 games where he backed up Holmes. That's pretty retarded.

[dmek25]

the best arguement would be our defense against dallas.dboyz,what cha got to say about that?(dont forget the 35 we hung on your sorry asses with the playoffs on the line)

[D'BOYZ]

Sorry Malcom had to go last night didn't had time to continue with this here we go then.

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Actually I checked the stats on the whole rush-pass thing. I retract my previous statement, HOWEVER the Skins without a doubt had a more prolific running attack and Dallas had a few more attempts than the Skins but without getting near the yardage per game the Skins had.

So we agree Redskins were more pass orientented last year and I agree they were more succesfull in their running attack than Dallas ( a lot had to do with the second half of the season when we lost Adams and the hole Oline colaps). We can also agree that with Sauder on board and the additions of Lloyd and Randall it will be an even more pass oriented offense this year, That's what in paper your team shows

Agreed

The good thing is, the Cowboys were right behind the Skins in rushes for the year, but the Skins averaged more than half a yard more.

Covered this in the past one

Hmmmmm. I would give you that. Honestly though, I still think Moss brings more to the table. It's just TOs past dominance. I think Moss is just now beginning to dominate, but I'll give you that.

I don't Agree with your Moss statement, he hasn't been consistant enough as TO has for the past years, This was the best year in yards Moss has had and he only scored 9tds and he had come off a bad year when he didn't even reach 1000, TO has posted double digit TD in 5 of the past 7 years and over 1000 in 6 of the past 7 (I'm excluding last year).

TO still is the most productive wideout in the NFL and the more feared or he shares that spot with only 2 players Harrison and Moss there are only 2 other WR that are starting to get the same kind of respect Chad Johnson and Steve Smith now if Moss shows the same consistency this year then you can start count him at starting to dominate.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'll rank em:

1. Washington
2. Chicago
3. Carolina
4. Tampa Bay
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Arizona
8. Giants
9. Falcons
10. Vikings
11. Eagles
12. Saints
13. 49ers
14. Lions
15. Rams
16. Packers

hahahaha man this is what the therm FAN glows and reallity just goes to the toilet.

Ok I don't disagree the redskins have a chance this year to go to the big game (as dallas does) but to put them right now as the best team in the NFC it's just wack

and putting chicago at #2 tampa #4, and last year NFC champion and contender at #5 and #3 to teams that only lost 1 important player each (hutchinson, Widerspoon) but cover the mayority of their holes is just not real.

Also putting Arizona a team that yes got james but have huge oline problems and haven't been consistant with their talent above the giants and Eagles wow also the rams below the 49 that don't have a team and detroit that don't have a qb it's huge .

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

hahahaha man this is what the therm FAN glows and reallity just goes to the toilet.

Ok I don't disagree the redskins have a chance this year to go to the big game (as dallas does) but to put them right now as the best team in the NFC it's just wack

and putting chicago at #2 tampa #4, and last year NFC champion and contender at #5 and #3 to teams that only lost 1 important player each (hutchinson, Widerspoon) but cover the mayority of their holes is just not real.

Also putting Arizona a team that yes got james but have huge oline problems and haven't been consistant with their talent above the giants and Eagles wow also the rams below the 49 that don't have a team and detroit that don't have a qb it's huge .

Meh, come see me in January.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the best arguement would be our defense against dallas.dboyz,what cha got to say about that?(dont forget the 35 we hung on your sorry asses with the playoffs on the line)

Im really hung up here on that subject I really respect your defense, specially againts the run. I have said many times Washington is the best player in that D and 1 of the best LB in the league even thought Archuleta is an over achiver he will fit perfectly next to ST because of your defense (including coach) and the changes your team did in offense is that I consider them a SB contender. Your only weekness I can say is nickel cb, and pass rush (let's see how carter turns out), you can add LB (Mcintosh 1st yeari njure prone), I liked what I saw in rogers when he started in the second half for a first year player lets see if he shines this year also

Now dallas finally did the hole transition to the 3-4 and last year even thought we had 3 rookies and 3 first year starter on that Def it was one of the most domminat defense in the league, and with 1 year of expirience it can only get better our front 7 it's pro bowl caliber with ferguson, Spears, Canty, Ware, James,Ayodele and now Carpenter (wich was the best pick I really like this player) the secondary it's amazing with Henry, Newman,Glenn and Williams. we have also a lot of depth at the line to keep players fresh. It all comes down to FS, I really like Watkins our 5th pick but he might not start untill late in the season but with Coleman and Davis with 1 year on his belt I believe we have it covered.

I don't know man I really see 2 strong defense I guess it will come down on who makes the least mistakes and have the minority of injuries it's really close to call. On the defensive side