If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article

Redskins8588 · 07-06-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I would also disagree with him saying big Ben is overrated. He is what going into his third year as a player and has won over 95% of his games. He saved them in the playoffs after the bus fumbled the ball and for his age has managed the field very well. Oh, and he has won a SB as the youngest QB ever and that should be enough in itself.

I do think that Ben is overrated. Look at the situation that he landed in when Pittsburgh drafted him. He went to a team that has a solid ground attack, a good o-line, good receivers and one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention very good special teams play. Hell, I would bet that Eli or Phillip Rivers could have put up simialar numbers to Bens had Pittsburgh drafted one of them. IMO, Ben landed in the best situation imaginable for any young QB....

MTK · 07-06-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I do think that Ben is overrated. Look at the situation that he landed in when Pittsburgh drafted him. He went to a team that has a solid ground attack, a good o-line, good receivers and one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention very good special teams play. Hell, I would bet that Eli or Phillip Rivers could have put up simialar numbers to Bens had Pittsburgh drafted one of them. IMO, Ben landed in the best situation imaginable for any young QB....

Sure he landed in an ideal situation. But he's contributed his part as well.

QBs get tons of hype, especially when they are winners. Ben is a winner, nobody can deny that. His hype is definitely overplayed, but at the same time he is a quality player who is still has plenty of room to grow.

SmootSmack · 07-06-2006, 11:11 PM

I understand what 8588 is saying though. Put Roethlisberger in Texas or Detroit and would he have done the same? Put David Carr in Pittsburgh, what happens?

firstdown · 07-07-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I do think that Ben is overrated. Look at the situation that he landed in when Pittsburgh drafted him. He went to a team that has a solid ground attack, a good o-line, good receivers and one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention very good special teams play. Hell, I would bet that Eli or Phillip Rivers could have put up simialar numbers to Bens had Pittsburgh drafted one of them. IMO, Ben landed in the best situation imaginable for any young QB....

I would say you would be correct if this was a veteran QB. He is young and new to the NFL and thats the reason he is not overated. The guy has gone in and done everything that his team has needed and then some.

FRPLG · 07-06-2006, 04:43 PM

Good job legitimizing this thread firstdown. Now it can't be called a homerfest.

number21isabadman · 07-06-2006, 09:22 PM

I also dont think that taylor should be in the under-rated column, his is going into his third year as a number 5 draft pick, recievers fear him and quaterbacks dodge him, but i'd say if he doesnt make the pro-bowl this year somethings up.

saden1 · 07-06-2006, 09:28 PM

Archuleta's coverage skills are pretty weak. Williams will mask his weaknesses as much as possible and have him play closer to the line. I'll guarantee one thing, you won't see him covering a #2 receiver let alone #1 WR solo.

ArtMonkDrillz · 07-06-2006, 09:40 PM

Hey guys, remember that time roy williams got burned twice by Santana and lost he game for the cowboys on nationat TV? That was pretty awesome.

mooby · 07-07-2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Hey guys, remember that time roy williams got burned twice by Santana and lost he game for the cowboys on nationat TV? That was pretty awesome.

When did that happen? Surely you can't be talking about All-Pro 3 Time Pro Bowler Roy Williams? Must be some other guy, because i know that RoyGod would never do something as bad as that.

MTK · 07-06-2006, 11:18 PM

Put Ben in Texas and they would still stink. Carr in Pitt? I highly doubt he would have enjoyed the same success.

In Pittsburgh I think they captured the perfect mix of a young, talented QB and a team well built to mask his weaknesses and exploit his strengths.

SmootSmack · 07-06-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Put Ben in Texas and they would still stink. Carr in Pitt? I highly doubt he would have enjoyed the same success.

In Pittsburgh I think they captured the perfect mix of a young, talented QB and a team well built to mask his weaknesses and exploit his strengths.

I guess the best defense for BR is how badly Tommy Maddox stunk up the joint and all the Steelers losses when Roeth wasn't in there. It's sort of how it took Sean Taylor missing the Tampa game last season for a lot of people to appreciate his value.

BigSKINBauer · 07-07-2006, 05:54 AM

big ben is overrated. He is in an amazingly easy system for a QB. He proved himself in the playoffs a bit but he didn't in the super bowl. This article made me so happy. I hate williams

dmek25 · 07-07-2006, 06:25 AM

i do think williams is a bit over rated but.... i could easily see him along side sean taylor in our defensive back field.in the right system he could be a monster

number21isabadman · 07-07-2006, 02:12 PM

exactly arch is a strong safety, just like roy plays less in coverage and more to the line of scrimmage for the run support. But roy had the reputation of being this all around badass safety which is truely not the case. He is in no way deserving of ed reeds contract figures.

offiss · 07-07-2006, 07:12 PM

I alway's liked AA, he's a big play type of saftey, we have to trust Williams eye for defensive talent that AA will be a significant upgrade over Clark.

Systems many times make the player as well as the technique that they are asked to play on defense, I believe Williams already knows how to use AA and which coverage techniques will best fit his attributes, players always seem to be much better in Williams defense than others, kind of like the old 9er's QB's everyone looked great in thier system, Same thing with Gibbs back in the day he was able to make a run of the mill QB look and play like an all pro, yet these players very rarely did much outside of those systems. Once Lovey Smith left the Rams thier defense went downhill AA still was able to shine. We will no very quickly if he was worth the money compartivly to the production Clark would have brought to the table? I liked Clark a lot but Williams must have seen something significantly better in AA to pay that kind of money and let Clark go. I believe he's right!

07-06-2006, 11:11 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I understand what 8588 is saying though. Put Roethlisberger in Texas or Detroit and would he have done the same? Put David Carr in Pittsburgh, what happens? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-06-2006, 04:43 PM	#5
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Good job legitimizing this thread firstdown. Now it can't be called a homerfest.

07-06-2006, 09:22 PM	#6
number21isabadman Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Age: 40 Posts: 157	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I also dont think that taylor should be in the under-rated column, his is going into his third year as a number 5 draft pick, recievers fear him and quaterbacks dodge him, but i'd say if he doesnt make the pro-bowl this year somethings up.

07-06-2006, 09:28 PM	#7
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Archuleta's coverage skills are pretty weak. Williams will mask his weaknesses as much as possible and have him play closer to the line. I'll guarantee one thing, you won't see him covering a #2 receiver let alone #1 WR solo. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

07-06-2006, 09:40 PM	#8
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Hey guys, remember that time roy williams got burned twice by Santana and lost he game for the cowboys on nationat TV? That was pretty awesome. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

07-06-2006, 11:18 PM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Put Ben in Texas and they would still stink. Carr in Pitt? I highly doubt he would have enjoyed the same success. In Pittsburgh I think they captured the perfect mix of a young, talented QB and a team well built to mask his weaknesses and exploit his strengths. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-07-2006, 05:54 AM	#12
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 37 Posts: 5,688	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article big ben is overrated. He is in an amazingly easy system for a QB. He proved himself in the playoffs a bit but he didn't in the super bowl. This article made me so happy. I hate williams

07-07-2006, 06:25 AM	#13
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article i do think williams is a bit over rated but.... i could easily see him along side sean taylor in our defensive back field.in the right system he could be a monster __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

07-07-2006, 02:12 PM	#14
number21isabadman Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Age: 40 Posts: 157	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article exactly arch is a strong safety, just like roy plays less in coverage and more to the line of scrimmage for the run support. But roy had the reputation of being this all around badass safety which is truely not the case. He is in no way deserving of ed reeds contract figures.

07-07-2006, 07:12 PM	#15
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I alway's liked AA, he's a big play type of saftey, we have to trust Williams eye for defensive talent that AA will be a significant upgrade over Clark. Systems many times make the player as well as the technique that they are asked to play on defense, I believe Williams already knows how to use AA and which coverage techniques will best fit his attributes, players always seem to be much better in Williams defense than others, kind of like the old 9er's QB's everyone looked great in thier system, Same thing with Gibbs back in the day he was able to make a run of the mill QB look and play like an all pro, yet these players very rarely did much outside of those systems. Once Lovey Smith left the Rams thier defense went downhill AA still was able to shine. We will no very quickly if he was worth the money compartivly to the production Clark would have brought to the table? I liked Clark a lot but Williams must have seen something significantly better in AA to pay that kind of money and let Clark go. I believe he's right!

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