Coles Big Toe...I'm worried

[exit0]

I still remember way back when, when most people didn't really give Monk, Clark and Sanders the respect they deserved. Monk was too slow, Clark and Sanders too little. Just goes to show that execution and production are what really counts... not just physical size and speed. There's lot more stuff that comes into play than just the receiver's stats... in Gardner's defense (and I don't think he really needs any), the offense under Spurrier for the most part looked confused and disorganized.

[Redskins8588]

Remember Albert Connell? Now there was a "miserable failure" for a #1 WR. Yeah he had a good season when Westbrook was healthy. But the following season when Westbrook was injured most of the season, and Connell was to be the #1 WR, he couldn't do nothing.

Anyhow this season is Gardners 4th season in the NFL, and I heard some where that it takes most receivers about 3 years to really come around. Hopefull Gardner will step it up this year and have a better season. When Gardner had his 1,000 yard season he had 3 QB's tossing the ball to him. I also believe that Gibbs wont call plays just for the sake of calling a play. What I mean is that Gibbs sees what talent he has and coaches to there strengths not what he likes to do as wethere to run or pass like Spurrier did.

So Hogskin you are right Gibbs wont tolerate what you mentioned, but Gibbs will coach to his players strengths and put them in situations to make plays.

I just hope that Coles stays healthy and we have a well run offense, no matter what Gibbs does.

[Hogskin]

Smack, I don't think you can attribute the Eagles' finishes the last few years to their receiving corps. Probably among the 3 worst in the league during that time. They got there mainly on defense. I would not want to get along with the Ravens' or Bucs' passing games on the years that they WON super Bowls, either. It's great if you can get there with a sorry offense like the Ravens did, but I don't see that working for the Redskins in the near future. I really think the comments Gibbs has made AND the pickup of Thrash really show he is not comfortable with Gardner. Personally, I am glad, because I never was a fan of Westbrook, and Gardner seems to have much the same problems he did with holding onto the ball and with pass routes.

Exit, you made a great point about Spurrier's offense mess. But going back to the Fun Bunch days, is a bit of a stretch. First, coming in, Clark did not have much respect, but he very quickly proved himself to be a top receiver. Also, DB talent has improved, coverages have improved, and a lot of what used to be called interference is now allowed. But if you want to go back to that time, what I am betting has not changed is that Gibbs would never tolerate frequent dropped passes or fumbles. Hold the ball or you're outta here.

8588, Connell was nothing but a bum. He was still young when the Redskins got rid of him, and he (like Westbrook) very quickly dropped off the map. He was not even a decent bench WR. I have heard that same comment you mentioned about 3 years for a typical WR to make it. But Gardner has had 3 years, and I really don't think guys that have a consistent history of dropped passes (like Westbrook) or bad pass routes (like Desmond) ever make it. Gardner has both of those problems - not as bad as Westbrook & Howard, but bad enough to be a big problem. It would be great for the Skins if a miracle happened and he turned it around, but he won't be on MY fantasy team - I don't expect miracles. Seems more likely to me that Jacobs and McCants have the promising future. In fact, I drafted them both in very late rounds a couple weeks ago in Atlantic City LOL. They are my backups for T.O. and Chad Johnson.

Sorry I am so wordy and argumentative, guys (LOL). But I have a lot of time on my hands right now. When football heats up in a couple weeks, I'll be scarce and you won't have to put up with me any more!!! (Did I hear a huge cheer??)

[SmootSmack]

All I meant was inspite of the Eagles poor receiving they still managed to make it deep into the playoffs but you're right the Skins defense is still a big question mark

Connell is one of my least favorite people ever. I could tolerate his failures on the field if he wasn't such an ass off the field. He had that one good year in 1999 and suddenly thought he was the second coming of Jerry Rice

Anyhow, looks like we'll agree to disagree on Gardner's future Hogskin but on behalf of everyone else here on the warpath the last thing we want come football season is to hear less of you.

[Redskins8588]

Hogskin: If I were interested in joining or starting a league with your program how would I go about that? If you could e-mail me info that would be great. Thanks.

I am really excited to see how Jacobs will do this year, I like Gardner and I think that Gibbs will get him on the right track. But if Jacobs is as fast as they say, that would be so cool to have 2 speed burners at wr.

[Hogskin]

Thanks for the comment, Smack. I really enjoy this site, and don't want to get scarce. But all of my kids and grandkids will be coming here for the July 4th weekend, some arriving as early as June 25 and some staying through July 14, so I will not have much online time then. And then July 15 is the cutdown deadline for our keeper leagues. Right after that it gets pretty intense here until about the 2nd week of the NFL season. I will still check in here whenever I can, but will always be in a rush LOL.

[Defensewins]

IF Clinton Portis can produce for the Skins like he did in Devner, our passing game will be fine, even if Coles' toe is sore. If the opposing LB's and Safety's have to cheat up in run support because Portis is ripping off ten yards a run, our remaining WR's will have career years. Play action will work all day long.

[Hogskin]

Actually, it works both ways. A good passing game will help Portis put up those lofty numbers. It's a lot tougher when your WR's have trouble getting open. Coles is the only guy we have that has shown he can get open on a consistent basis. AND, he is the only one that will draw double coverage on a regular basis, taking one more defender away from run-stopping. We need Coles...