John Riggins Show - Joe Gibbs

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

Jason Campbell can thank his lucky stars to have been drafted by the Redskins under Joe Gibbs' leadership. Campbell has played in six different systems in six years, and he is now in the most complex by far, one that Mark Brunell with all his experience has not mastered yet. Gibbs will keep Campbell in a learning mode so that when he comes in, he will succeed.

If you put Campbell in now, you risk destroying his tree of confidence with all the tree boring worms that fans will pour onto him in the thousands when he fails to play with extraordinary effectiveness. Right now Campbell's confidence tree needs to get stronger and taller before he is ready to go.

I am amazed with the grace that Mark Brunell holds up under the antipathy sent at him. Even an experience player like him is going to be effected by all that criticism and lack of support.

The fact is that just like fans can be the 12th man, they can also have the effect of making us play like we have only 9 or 10 men, by harming the players with all this scapegoating.

right on, I thought the crowd was a factor sunday, in titans favor

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

right on, I thought the crowd was a factor sunday, in titans favor

Maybe they should drug the crowd so that they don't care that the team was letting a very winnable game slip away, yet again. They should be cheering their little hearts out when the team goes 3 and out for the 10th time in a row because the QB short hops a 10yrd hook or because the O-line fails to pick up a blitz. Everyone in burgundy and gold should stand up and cheer when the defense gives up 3rd and long or commits a personal foul that continues a drive. They should be proud that our once great defense let a rookie QB on an 0-5 team lead a game winning drive and they should be lighting off fireworks when our QB throws up a jump ball on first down with about a minute left to end the game rahter than trying to actually move the ball down field into FG range.
The fans at the stadium are all a bunch of idiots and they are the reason we lost this game just like they are the reason we lost the game to the vikings.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

If you put Campbell in now, you risk destroying his tree of confidence with all the tree boring worms that fans will pour onto him in the thousands when he fails to play with extraordinary effectiveness. Right now Campbell's confidence tree needs to get stronger and taller before he is ready to go.

I am amazed with the grace that Mark Brunell holds up under the antipathy sent at him. Even an experience player like him is going to be effected by all that criticism and lack of support.

The fact is that just like fans can be the 12th man, they can also have the effect of making us play like we have only 9 or 10 men, by harming the players with all this scapegoating.

I 'm intrigued by what you would have the fans do? Each game starts off with 90k Redskins fans cheering for Brunell and all of the Skins. Do the fans boo? Yes they do.

As far as "sparing" Campbell's confidence, spare me. How much confidence does anybody gain with a clipboard? At the end of the day it's football, and if he was going to be in a spot where he couldn't succeed, maybe I'd worry about his confidence. But he's got plenty of weapons, we've made the investment in him, and the starter is not winning games. He'll have to take his lumps sooner or later, why wait?

And yes, I'm scapegoating. Brunell, Saunders, Lloyd, Cooley, the O-line, and anyone else who has underperformed. Gibbs. 2-4, we're not out of it but the schedule doesn't get any easier, so my question is why wait?

[firstdown]

JUst as a side not JC preseason numbers:
Pass at: 51
Pass Comp: 26
TD's: 0
Intercep: 2
Tot Passing yrds:270
Average per attempt:5.29
Average per completion: 10.38
Maybe theres a reason JC is not the starter at this time. I know it was preseason playing against alot of 3rd stringers and we where playing 3rd stringers. I do agree JC needs time in a game but its just too early in the season for him and we don't even know what they see in him at pratice. He was not even warming up whe brunell got hurt.

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

JUst as a side not JC preseason numbers:
Pass at: 51
Pass Comp: 26
TD's: 0
Intercep: 2
Tot Passing yrds:270
Average per attempt:5.29
Average per completion: 10.38
Maybe theres a reason JC is not the starter at this time. I know it was preseason playing against alot of 3rd stringers and we where playing 3rd stringers. I do agree JC needs time in a game but its just too early in the season for him and we don't even know what they see in him at pratice. He was not even warming up whe brunell got hurt.

Those numbers don't mean much to me, but the only reason Campbell was not warming up is that Collins will be finishing out games when Brunell gets injured during a game. Campbell will play if he has a week to prepare. And no time is better than after the Colts beat the sh** out of us this Sunday..........that will give Campbell 2 weeks to get prepared for a home game vs. Dallas. Start Campbell's career.........I don't think he'll take us to more wins, but I think its time for him to now learn on the field.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by firstdown

JUst as a side not JC preseason numbers:
Pass at: 51
Pass Comp: 26
TD's: 0
Intercep: 2
Tot Passing yrds:270
Average per attempt:5.29
Average per completion: 10.38
Maybe theres a reason JC is not the starter at this time. I know it was preseason playing against alot of 3rd stringers and we where playing 3rd stringers. I do agree JC needs time in a game but its just too early in the season for him and we don't even know what they see in him at pratice. He was not even warming up whe brunell got hurt.

and those int.'s didn't look good, not like the receivers dropped the ball. I wish jc was ready but i bet he isn't.there's a reason hes not the game day #2

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

JUst as a side not JC preseason numbers:
Pass at: 51
Pass Comp: 26
TD's: 0
Intercep: 2
Tot Passing yrds:270
Average per attempt:5.29
Average per completion: 10.38
Maybe theres a reason JC is not the starter at this time. I know it was preseason playing against alot of 3rd stringers and we where playing 3rd stringers. I do agree JC needs time in a game but its just too early in the season for him and we don't even know what they see in him at pratice. He was not even warming up whe brunell got hurt.

He didn't warm up because he's the emergency QB, he can't play unless both guys ahead of him went down.

[railcon56]

No matter what I Love Joe Gibbs and he will always be my alltime favorite coach... and will always be greatful for all the thrills he has provided me....

[gibbsisgod]

Thank you AMD! I was going to post something to that effect. Its all OUR fault.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Thank you AMD! I was going to post something to that effect. Its all OUR fault.

I just get pissed when people get so mad at booing the home team or whatever (sorry to get off topic). I feel like the fans are smart enough that when they boo it's for a reason. They were booing on Sunday because the team looked like complete crap for much of the second half.
If Campbell comes in and struggles at first I think the fans will be much more forgiving because they know he is young and will need time to adjust to the game. Brunell should be veteran enough to understand this.

If I pay a ton of money to go see my favorite band and they come out and mess up all the songs and knock the speakers off the stage and take long pauses inbetween each song, I'm going to be pissed and I'll probably boo. I feel the same way about the team that I invest a lot of my time and money into.

[MTK]

Well, some of the players aren't too happy about all the booing. Right or wrong they think the fans should get behind them more. Should we just dismiss their feelings on the matter? I think they understand the booing, but the fans are just so quick to boo now. Perhaps the negativity is wearing on them a bit. They know they're not playing well, they know they need to play better, and the last thing they need is the constant booing and chants for the backup QB.

I'm not saying I totally agree with the players, but I do see their point.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not saying I totally agree with the players, but I do see their point.

So do I, and I hate that it has come to the point that many of us fans are so quick with the boos. I think if the team were doing well and Brunell was to throw a pick the reaction wouldn't be so quick or so harsh. But, the team is struggling, and on Sunday we were struggling against a team we were favored to beat by 10 points.
I would have been more shocked to not hear the crowd react to the poor play than I was to hear them boo.

[MTK]

And we have to consider how this plays into feeding emotion to our opponents. Hearing the boos rain down has to get them even more pumped, and at this point they don't need any more help.

[gibbsisgod]

If you think it was bad on sunday, just wait until Dallas comes to town. If MB is still the QB and we dont come out and play well right off the bat, the fans will turn in a hurry. I dont agree with it but its true. If that happens, Dallas will blow us right out of the water.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

If you think it was bad on sunday, just wait until Dallas comes to town. If MB is still the QB and we dont come out and play well right off the bat, the fans will turn in a hurry. I dont agree with it but its true. If that happens, Dallas will blow us right out of the water.

Plus, the problem is, when the team is not doing well (ah'hem) there are always a lot more cowboys fans creeping around FedEx than if we are winning.

I really hope the dumb kid I go to games with doesn't get into a fight on the 5th because I doubt I'll jump in.