Joe And Vinny Must Go.

[The Zimmermans]

I was wondering why he had no tackles haha, thanks for clearing that up. I guess that explains why we couldnt stop the run or cover that big slow tight end. I like Griffin, too bad he's never healthy...and getting older may I add. By the way, Mike Rumph was absolutely embaressed sunday.

[skinsfan69]

Do you remember how they went 10-6?? Barely beat a beat up Philly team w/out McNabb, barely beat Arizona, beat St. Louis playing it's 3rd string QB. And the playoff game??? Do you remember 41 yards passing?? The only reason that game was won was on turnovers and the d-fense scored a TD.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you remember how they went 10-6?? Barely beat a beat up Philly team w/out McNabb, barely beat Arizona, beat St. Louis playing it's 3rd string QB. And the playoff game??? Do you remember 41 yards passing?? The only reason that game was won was on turnovers and the d-fense scored a TD.

But you know what?

They found ways to win.

I really don't care how they looked, the bottom line was they won games.

There's a very fine line between winning and losing, and right now we are finding ways to lose where last year's team found ways to win.

For the record I also recall them trouncing Dallas and NY late in the year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But you know what?

They found ways to win.

I really don't care how they looked, the bottom line was they won games.

There's a very fine line between winning and losing, and right now we are finding ways to lose where last year's team found ways to win.

For the record I also recall them trouncing Dallas and NY late in the year.

Exactly. And if you look around the league, a lot of teams "back their way" into victories. At the end of the day what matters is the W, not how you got it.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Exactly. And if you look around the league, a lot of teams "back their way" into victories. At the end of the day what matters is the W, not how you got it.

Look at INDI...

they win pretty, they win ugly, but they win.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But you know what?

They found ways to win.

I really don't care how they looked, the bottom line was they won games.

There's a very fine line between winning and losing, and right now we are finding ways to lose where last year's team found ways to win.

For the record I also recall them trouncing Dallas and NY late in the year.

Exactly, its about winning. Thats why I get so upset when I hear Al Saunders talk about offensive stats and we played a good game, blah, blah, well guess what Al, the team lost the game, nobody cares how the stats looked the game was lost.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But you know what?

They found ways to win.

I really don't care how they looked, the bottom line was they won games.

There's a very fine line between winning and losing, and right now we are finding ways to lose where last year's team found ways to win.

For the record I also recall them trouncing Dallas and NY late in the year.

The big difference is last year, the games were close. This year, we're getting blown out. This year, there's a very thick line between the games won and the games lost. We are a bad team this year, and I can't pinpoint what the problem is, other than to say the defense isn't clicking, and we've got very inconsistent O-line and QB play. Perhaps we should blame it on the voluntary (in our case almost mandatory) offseason workouts, which are supposed to help keep players strong, but in our case, it seems to have taken a toll on the players health. Either that, or we're plain unlucky.

[Hog1]

Good teams find a way to win, even when they don't play well! Currently, we are not that team

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Good teams find a way to win, even when they don't play well! Currently, we are not that team

shoot... look at that bears game. 4 ints, 2 fumbles, victory?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I never thought I'd say this but Joe has to go.

I think you're speaking out on emotion instead of commonsense. Joe Gibbs still gives us our best chance to win. Now, all the Redskins fans last year begged for a new Offensive coordinator, and we got 'em....the best one in the league. But, has it really helped us? I'm telling ya....if we had made no changes from last season...aside from upgrading our wide receivers...we'd be at least 5-2 right now. But, hiring a brand new head coach who brings in his own coordinators, and getting rid of half the team is going to do nothing more but to remind us of the Redskins of the 90's. Constantly rebuilding and never getting close to being a good team.

Joe stays.

[skinsfan69]

Read the first post. Gibbs is part of the problem! The whole time he has been here ( the 2nd time around) he plays not to loose instead of stomping on the opponents throat. And I'm tired of the Sanders bashing. Look at KC's offense the last few years? This guy knows how to coach offense. It's not Sanders fault that the QB can't get it done. And I'm sure Gibbs is telling him to call short passes becasue that is mostly how Gibbs called the game the last two years.

[The Zimmermans]

I like Al Saunders, he runs an effective offense, an offense that is designed to possess the ball and score on long time consuming drives. The problem is TALENT. Our offense is no worse than it was last year, it's actually better. We just have no defensive talent. Could someone name me one good D-lineman we have? did you know that lemar marshall didnt have a tackle this week, and holdman had 2!!!!! We need some help for marcus and taylor, who are great players but cannot be an entire defense.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I like Al Saunders, he runs an effective offense, an offense that is designed to possess the ball and score on long time consuming drives. The problem is TALENT. Our offense is no worse than it was last year, it's actually better. We just have no defensive talent. Could someone name me one good D-lineman we have? did you know that lemar marshall didnt have a tackle this week, and holdman had 2!!!!! We need some help for marcus and taylor, who are great players but cannot be an entire defense.

lamar didnt play. but i agree about our entire d-line minus Griff.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

did you know that lemar marshall didnt have a tackle this week, and holdman had 2!!!!!

I find it hard to take you seriously when you didn't even know that Marshall was inactive yesterday. Did you notice #50 out there playing MLB?? I'll give you a clue, Marshall didn't change his number.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I find it hard to take you seriously when you didn't even know that Marshall was inactive yesterday. Did you notice #50 out there playing MLB?? I'll give you a clue, Marshall didn't change his number.

Sadly he's not the only one. Someone on the radio yesterday, who is paid to know this stuff, kept talking about how they got nothing out of Marshall yesterday and that they should have played Rocky instead