we still need a guard

jsarno · 03-17-2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i kind of disagree. not with your analysis, but with the results. i believe you do not need 5 pro bowlers, instead 5 guys that will do what needs to be done. without seeking glory, and not afraid to do the dirty work, the things that go unnoticed.

I was going to comment on that guys analysis of our OL, but this post sums it up nicely. We have a group of VERY talented guys, and in fact, I would say that overall we had the best OL in the league last year. Bugel has done a great job. When Dockery first came to the Skins, he sucked. Sorry guys, I know a lot of you loved him here, but he was terrible, but had a lot of room for improvement. He should be thanking Bugel for that huge contract. Bugel made him into the good guard he became.
All we need is a team player at guard and we shouldn't miss a beat. Problem is, there are slim pickens from here, and we need our draft pick for a DE.

That Guy · 03-18-2007, 08:20 AM

SC, gotta disagree. please list who you think is better in the NFC east than thomas. he's still a very good guard in the league (and it take actually listing 10 players and why they're better to convince me he's not in the top 10). rabach might be in the top 15, he's right around average, so 14-16 is about where you'd expect him to be.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-19-2007, 12:45 AM

NFC East guards better than Randy Thomas? Chris Snee and Shawn Andrews - and maybe Leonard Davis next year but the jury is still way out on that last one. Take off the burgandy and gold colored glasses and you'd trade Thomas for either Snee or Andrews even-up any day of the week.

The Skins don't need - nor have they ever had or will they ever have - 5 ProBowlers on the OL; that's not the point. But they do need 5 guys who are all above average at their positions and that's not what they have now.

As to the statistics that tell everyone that this OL is a great unit - and most particularly to the stats for an OL which are mostly concocted - let me assure you that stats are for teams that finish 5-11. The Indy Colts' fans aren't parsing the stats of their OL; neither are the fans of the Bears, Saints, Pats, Chargers etc. As a unit, what teams in the playoffs this year were so much worse than the Skins on the OL? Maybe there was one; I can't think of one.

And if the Skins could indeed have run the ball don the throats of any opponent they may have faced, how come they didn't do just that? The reason is not that the play calling was stupid - - even though it was stupid more than a couple of times during the season. It was because the team couldn't actually do that. If they could and had, it would have kept the less than fully competent defense off the field for longer periods of time... And maybe the team would have been 7-9 instead of 5-11.

MTK · 03-20-2007, 09:29 AM

We had a very good OL last year, probably one of the best we've had in recent memory.

That Guy · 03-20-2007, 10:14 AM

i mean, i watched the games and really didn't see our OL being nearly as dreadful as you're suggesting. it actually looked pretty good compared to the giants or cowboys, and at LEAST equal to philly (though philly has better depth).

3 years ago we had cory raymer as a turnstile at C getting pushed back into the backfield every single play. I've never been more embarrassed than when i had to watch him play. I haven't seen anything like that the last two years though, and both years our #6 OL has been good starter quality to boot.

RedskinPete · 03-20-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

i mean, i watched the games and really didn't see our OL being nearly as dreadful as you're suggesting. it actually looked pretty good compared to the giants or cowboys, and at LEAST equal to philly (though philly has better depth).

3 years ago we had cory raymer as a turnstile at C getting pushed back into the backfield every single play. I've never been more embarrassed than when i had to watch him play. I haven't seen anything like that the last two years though, and both years our #6 OL has been good starter quality to boot.

Cory just didn't have any thing left when he came back. Still you are right line play has been better but I would feel better if we had three back ups to fill in! I just remember that Seahawk play-off game!

That Guy · 03-20-2007, 05:11 PM

why are all the new guys so quick with the insults? you can disagree without getting personal.

03-18-2007, 08:20 AM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: we still need a guard SC, gotta disagree. please list who you think is better in the NFC east than thomas. he's still a very good guard in the league (and it take actually listing 10 players and why they're better to convince me he's not in the top 10). rabach might be in the top 15, he's right around average, so 14-16 is about where you'd expect him to be.

03-19-2007, 12:45 AM	#3
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: we still need a guard NFC East guards better than Randy Thomas? Chris Snee and Shawn Andrews - and maybe Leonard Davis next year but the jury is still way out on that last one. Take off the burgandy and gold colored glasses and you'd trade Thomas for either Snee or Andrews even-up any day of the week. The Skins don't need - nor have they ever had or will they ever have - 5 ProBowlers on the OL; that's not the point. But they do need 5 guys who are all above average at their positions and that's not what they have now. As to the statistics that tell everyone that this OL is a great unit - and most particularly to the stats for an OL which are mostly concocted - let me assure you that stats are for teams that finish 5-11. The Indy Colts' fans aren't parsing the stats of their OL; neither are the fans of the Bears, Saints, Pats, Chargers etc. As a unit, what teams in the playoffs this year were so much worse than the Skins on the OL? Maybe there was one; I can't think of one. And if the Skins could indeed have run the ball don the throats of any opponent they may have faced, how come they didn't do just that? The reason is not that the play calling was stupid - - even though it was stupid more than a couple of times during the season. It was because the team couldn't actually do that. If they could and had, it would have kept the less than fully competent defense off the field for longer periods of time... And maybe the team would have been 7-9 instead of 5-11. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-20-2007, 09:29 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: we still need a guard We had a very good OL last year, probably one of the best we've had in recent memory. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-20-2007, 10:14 AM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: we still need a guard i mean, i watched the games and really didn't see our OL being nearly as dreadful as you're suggesting. it actually looked pretty good compared to the giants or cowboys, and at LEAST equal to philly (though philly has better depth). 3 years ago we had cory raymer as a turnstile at C getting pushed back into the backfield every single play. I've never been more embarrassed than when i had to watch him play. I haven't seen anything like that the last two years though, and both years our #6 OL has been good starter quality to boot.

03-20-2007, 05:11 PM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: we still need a guard why are all the new guys so quick with the insults? you can disagree without getting personal.

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