If Chargers can get a 1st & 3rd for Turner, don't we have to shop Betts?

[skinsfan_nn]

We have a heck of a tandem with CP & LB! LB is going nowhere!
It would not suprise me one bit if LB is a career REDSKIN. This talk is nonsense!

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

We have a heck of a tandem with CP & LB! LB is going nowhere!
It would not suprise me one bit if LB is a career REDSKIN. This talk is nonsense!

A career Redskin after one sporadically good season is a bold statement. He didnt even have as many TD as Portis and he played more games! He wasn't even drafted by gibbs, so he, like the spurrier campaign, is soon to be a distant, yet painful, memory.

Even though he played well last season, this is the NFL ladies and gents, people get traded and released after better seasons than Betts had last year(e.g. Javon Walker - Packers, Adam Vinateri - Patriots, Trent Dilfer - SuperBowl Champs- Ravens, and Edgerrin James - Colts). Its not uncommon, or even bad business practice from any current NFl front office, that teams sign-and-trade players/trade players on draft day to enhace their draft posturing.

Yet, all of this remains to be seen. If Betts is on his way out, the best way to go about it is to wait until draft day. After all of the deals are on the table, then we can make a better decision as to how to package him(if we decided to take that course of action).

L Betts is not that good, and he is expendable for better draft posturing and roster depth. In this system a RB can be found late in the draft or via undrafted free agency(Preist Holmes, Willie Parker, and Dominick Rhodes).

Lets stack draft picks, draft wisely, and roll into next with fresh talent and depth at previously weak postions.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

A career Redskin after one sporadically good season is a bold statement. He didnt even have as many TD as Portis and he played more games! He wasn't even drafted by gibbs, so he, like the spurrier campaign, is soon to be a distant, yet painful, memory.

Even though he played well last season, this is the NFL ladies and gents, people get traded and released after better seasons than Betts had last year(e.g. Javon Walker - Packers, Adam Vinateri - Patriots, Trent Dilfer - SuperBowl Champs- Ravens, and Edgerrin James - Colts). Its not uncommon, or even bad business practice from any current NFl front office, that teams sign-and-trade players/trade players on draft day to enhace their draft posturing.

Yet, all of this remains to be seen. If Betts is on his way out, the best way to go about it is to wait until draft day. After all of the deals are on the table, then we can make a better decision as to how to package him(if we decided to take that course of action).

L Betts is not that good, and he is expendable for better draft posturing and roster depth. In this system a RB can be found late in the draft or via undrafted free agency(Preist Holmes, Willie Parker, and Dominick Rhodes).

Lets stack draft picks, draft wisely, and roll into next with fresh talent and depth at previously weak postions.

If you're going to go putting stuff in bold font, you should at least know what you're talking about. Walker held out and essentially forced a trade, Vinatieri and EJ were both free agents who left their teams for better deals. That's not the same as trading a player. Maybe, just maybe you could make the argument that not re-signing a free agent is the same as "releasing" the player, but that would be stretching it.

I think we should leave our quarterback, running back and wide receiver situations alone. Not necessarily because I think Betts is great (he's decent) but because I think the unit as a whole would greatly benefit from all coming back together for another year.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If you're going to go putting stuff in bold font, you should at least know what you're talking about. Walker held out and essentially forced a trade, Vinatieri and EJ were both free agents who left their teams for better deals. That's not the same as trading a player. Maybe, just maybe you could make the argument that not re-signing a free agent is the same as "releasing" the player, but that would be stretching it.

I think we should leave our quarterback, running back and wide receiver situations alone. Not necessarily because I think Betts is great (he's decent) but because I think the unit as a whole would greatly benefit from all coming back together for another year.

Two things:

1) First off, I do know what I am talking about. I said in my earlier post, "this is the NFL ladies and gents, people get traded and released after better seasons than Betts had last year." My entire point was that a move of that mature would NOT be a precedent in NFL front office policy. Key words were "released" and "traded."

Javon Walker wanted a deal done b4 his breakout season, and when it came back that he was performing at a probowl level, he wanted a renewed contract b4 his last season. He never got it, then reported to camp and got hurt early in the season. After a great season, injury came, and then he was traded on draft day. Hmmm, a draft day trade, oh, how SO relevant, but it is often overlooked, by the eager to respond internet pundits.

2) Betts contract is made to be trade bait. 5 yrs 12 mill + 3 mil bonus. There are kickers and back up across the league that have WwaaaaayyyY better contract than than, especially after ther resigning. Albeit, we could use a good backup RB, we need more depth as a team via draft picks, which we seriously lack.

thats all. we both/all have points, but draft day will show up soon and we will either have our deal or out one 1st day pick.

My point is, when the draft comes, and we see ALL of the players pass us by, we are gonna be wishing we could get at leat one or two. Then the forums will pop up here, and I will be there to let everyone know that we'd be pissed after we couldn't pick anymore in the first day.

BUt we will see come draft day.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

Two things:

1) First off, I do know what I am talking about. I said in my earlier post, "this is the NFL ladies and gents, people get traded and released after better seasons than Betts had last year." My entire point was that a move of that mature would NOT be a precedent in NFL front office policy. Key words were "released" and "traded."

Javon Walker wanted a deal done b4 his breakout season, and when it came back that he was performing at a probowl level, he wanted a renewed contract b4 his last season. He never got it, then reported to camp and got hurt early in the season. After a great season, injury came, and then he was traded on draft day. Hmmm, a draft day trade, oh, how SO relevant, but it is often overlooked, by the eager to respond internet pundits.

2) Betts contract is made to be trade bait. 5 yrs 12 mill + 3 mil bonus. There are kickers and back up across the league that have WwaaaaayyyY better contract than than, especially after ther resigning. Albeit, we could use a good backup RB, we need more depth as a team via draft picks, which we seriously lack.

thats all. we both/all have points, but draft day will show up soon and we will either have our deal or out one 1st day pick.

My point is, when the draft comes, and we see ALL of the players pass us by, we are gonna be wishing we could get at leat one or two. Then the forums will pop up here, and I will be there to let everyone know that we'd be pissed after we couldn't pick anymore in the first day.

BUt we will see come draft day.

Fine. I just thought it was wrong to lump Betts in the same sentence as guys like James and Vinatieri because the situations are not the same.

Moving on

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

Two things:

1) First off, I do know what I am talking about. I said in my earlier post, "this is the NFL ladies and gents, people get traded and released after better seasons than Betts had last year." My entire point was that a move of that mature would NOT be a precedent in NFL front office policy. Key words were "released" and "traded."

Javon Walker wanted a deal done b4 his breakout season, and when it came back that he was performing at a probowl level, he wanted a renewed contract b4 his last season. He never got it, then reported to camp and got hurt early in the season. After a great season, injury came, and then he was traded on draft day. Hmmm, a draft day trade, oh, how SO relevant, but it is often overlooked, by the eager to respond internet pundits.

2) Betts contract is made to be trade bait. 5 yrs 12 mill + 3 mil bonus. There are kickers and back up across the league that have WwaaaaayyyY better contract than than, especially after ther resigning. Albeit, we could use a good backup RB, we need more depth as a team via draft picks, which we seriously lack.

thats all. we both/all have points, but draft day will show up soon and we will either have our deal or out one 1st day pick.

My point is, when the draft comes, and we see ALL of the players pass us by, we are gonna be wishing we could get at leat one or two. Then the forums will pop up here, and I will be there to let everyone know that we'd be pissed after we couldn't pick anymore in the first day.

BUt we will see come draft day.

I agree that we should trade off a back for picks, but it aint Betts, I would think we could get something along the lines of the hershel Walker deal for a superstar like Portis.

[paulskinsfan]

Well if the Chargers do in fact get 1st round compensation for Turner, then we missed the boat because although Betts isn't a superstar, he's just as good, if not better than, Turner.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Well if the Chargers do in fact get 1st round compensation for Turner, then we missed the boat because although Betts isn't a superstar, he's just as good, if not better than, Turner.

And just who is offering us a first rounder for Betts? San Diego hasn't gone looking for teams to trade Turner to, the teams have come to Turner.

Barring an overwhelming offer and, for all the reasons previously stated, trading Betts is just a dumb idea.

[Schneed10]

Stop the madness!!!

We just signed Betts to a deal including a $3.5 million bonus. If we trade him, we have to eat it, and it eats into the little cap room we have left. It's not going to happen for financial reasons, but when you mention how much Joe Gibbs loves him, the discussion enters the realm of the ridiculous.

You want to be able to sign rookies, don't you? Then we can't trade Betts.

Kill the thread, please.

- Thread Killer

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Stop the madness!!!

We just signed Betts to a deal including a $3.5 million bonus. If we trade him, we have to eat it, and it eats into the little cap room we have left. It's not going to happen for financial reasons, but when you mention how much Joe Gibbs loves him, the discussion enters the realm of the ridiculous.

You want to be able to sign rookies, don't you? Then we can't trade Betts.

Kill the thread, please.

- Thread Killer

well put man this is getting crazy betts is going no where everytime someone does good he has to be traded betts will most likely be here for the next 5 years cause his contract is 5 more years enough of the trade betts threads already

[hagams]

I don't see how this trade could help us. I admit he had a good season last year filling in for CP, but that doesn't raise his value that much. We won't see a 1st round pick. Once again "IF" we did, I think we should at least consider it with the holes on defense that we need to fill.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

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The above link says backup RB Michael Turner is visiting Buffalo and Tenn. I later heard Clayton on ESPN radio state that it was a very real possibility that Turner would sign with Buffalo, and they would then give up a 1st and 3rd rounder. If that's the case, shouldn't the Skins FO be shopping Betts? He's not an every down back for the season (injuries) and he does seem to fumble at times. With his contract, I would think the Skins could get a 1st and a 3rd for him too.

No way we trade Betts w/ Portis coming off the injuries he's had. Why is everyone so quick to want to get rid of a guy who played very well last season? It's called quality depth people!!!!!

And who says SD is going to get a 1st and a 3rd? I doubt Buffalo will give that up for Turner. Just because the guy is visiting these teams does not mean the teams are going to give up that amount of compensation.

[MTK]

I think Portis will really explode in this offense. He just never got comfortable last year with a new offense and mostly due to the injury which altered his running style and aggressiveness.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think Portis will really explode in this offense. He just never got comfortable last year with a new offense and mostly due to the injury which altered his running style and aggressiveness.

I wouldn't be so sure of that, one of the reasons for Betts success last season with the same line is the fact that he hit's the hole much faster than Portis, and he hit's it with more power and drive. Yes Portis is faster over all but that only helps after you have reached the secondary, it is better to be faster to the hole than in the secondary. Portis is exactly what I thought he was when we traded for him, he's a 3rd down change of pace type back who was made to look better than he really is in that denver system as were many backs. My biggest problem with Portis as a player is not the fact that he can't be a good back if used the way he's supposed to, the problem is we gave up a ton to get a guy who really isn't an everydown type back. So now he has added to much weight to try and handle the beating an every down back takes and it has taken away from his biggest attribute and that is his explosion.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by offiss

I wouldn't be so sure of that, one of the reasons for Betts success last season with the same line is the fact that he hit's the hole much faster than Portis, and he hit's it with more power and drive. Yes Portis is faster over all but that only helps after you have reached the secondary, it is better to be faster to the hole than in the secondary. Portis is exactly what I thought he was when we traded for him, he's a 3rd down change of pace type back who was made to look better than he really is in that denver system as were many backs. My biggest problem with Portis as a player is not the fact that he can't be a good back if used the way he's supposed to, the problem is we gave up a ton to get a guy who really isn't an everydown type back. So now he has added to much weight to try and handle the beating an every down back takes and it has taken away from his biggest attribute and that is his explosion.

Wow - a 1,500 yard back is just a "change of pace" back. Check back whenever you stop smoking whatever it is you're on.