Updated:At Least 33 Dead in Va. Tech Shooting

[Hog1]

I think the question is, how is our society turning out these people with a certain regularity?
How many are waiting in the wings?
What must be changed to stop these type things?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I hate it when the shooters kill themselves or are killed by police. I'd like to see these kinds of losers be forced to have boob jobs and thrown into jail to become prison "entertainment."

[hesscl34]

This is unreal to me!! 22 people???? How in the heck can someone get away with that without being taken down!!!

[Big C]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

This is unreal to me!! 22 people???? How in the heck can someone get away with that without being taken down!!!

he went into a small classroom and killed the people in it is what i hear.

[RobH4413]

I find it hard to believe that he got off that many rounds without someone taking him down.

This is so tragic.

I just talked to my engineering buddy and he's very shaken up, he didn't really say much, just that he was okay and he'd talk to me later.

I'm wondering whether or not he was in the building. This shit is insane.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I find it hard to believe that he got off that many rounds without someone taking him down.

This is so tragic.

I just talked to my engineering buddy and he's very shaken up, he didn't really say much, just that he was okay and he'd talk to me later.

I'm wondering whether or not he was in the building. This shit is insane.

First of all, prayers for the families, friends and survivors. I'm glad none of our own here at WP were victims. This is horrible.

Aside from the shooter being an insane idiot with no morals, gun control IS THE REASON that 32 people are dead (aside from this monster who should have died anyways). This campus banned guns. This means no security guards had guns and they had no on-campus police patrolling the area regularly. Without this stupid policy, the shooter could have been taken out after his first shot, but instead, he was the only person with a gun and was free to kill as many people as he wanted. This is probably one of the reasons he was allowed to go on a second shooting spree 2 hours after his first two murders. Fleeing or not, the guy needed taken out after shooting two people. Screw the laws saying you can't shoot someone in the back and the "no guns on this happy campus" rules too. I'm definately NOT saying 18-22 year-old college students should have guns, MOST should not, but security and some trained administrators (probably anti-gun people though) should have guns in case of emergency, just as airline pilots should.

This proves again that guns are NECESSARY in society for people to defend themselves. It also proves again that gun control does not save lives, it COSTS them because when you take the guns away from responsible citizens who are the far majority of gun owners, they have no way to defend themselves from criminals and murderers. The criminals and murderers will ALWAYS have guns despite any laws written and enforced against innocent citizens, that's WHY they are called criminals! Laws mean nothing to them!

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Do they know anything about the shooter yet?
I mean, do they know if he was a student or just some local that lost it?

[Big C]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Do they know anything about the shooter yet?
I mean, do they know if he was a student or just some local that lost it?

asian guy in his 20s. didnt say anything to anyone just shot at them.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Big C

asian guy in his 20s. didnt say anything to anyone just shot at them.

I can't believe it, truly.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Do they know anything about the shooter yet?
I mean, do they know if he was a student or just some local that lost it?

Not sure if he was a student at Tech or Radford. The first building Amber-Johnston is closed until like 10:00 am, so he would have needed to wait for someone to leave and grab the door to gain access.

The two buildings are not very close to one another so he either had intention to kill someone specific in Norris or just wanted to hide out far away from the original crime scene and just lost it. That last doesn't hold much water since in order to have 40+ casualties he would have had to have extra ammo, which wouldn't be necassary if he only meant to kill one person (the girlfriend).

[Schneed10]

Wow. Big C, glad you're alright, man.

As for gun laws, this is a sticky one. You could loosen gun laws so that chances would increase that the public would have the wherewithal to stop a douchebag like this. But the tradeoff is an increase in accidental deaths due to more guns in the hands of the public.

You could tighten gun laws and make it impossible for a douchebag like this to obtain a gun in the first place. But we all know that if he really wanted a gun to do this, he'd buy it on the black market.

I don't think there's a policy answer for something like this. It just sucks, not really sure what you can do, unless you want to post an armed guard outside of every high school and college classroom in the country (which would cost way too much money).

I do agree with you though Big C, they should have cancelled classes for crying out loud. I've got no idea what administration was thinking, maybe they needed more time to process what happened; who knows. My first reaction would have been to cancel class though.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It just sucks, not really sure what you can do, unless you want to post an armed guard outside of every high school and college classroom in the country (which would cost way too much money).

And who's to say they won't lose it and go postal?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow. Big C, glad you're alright, man.

As for gun laws, this is a sticky one. You could loosen gun laws so that chances would increase that the public would have the wherewithal to stop a douchebag like this. But the tradeoff is an increase in accidental deaths due to more guns in the hands of the public.

You could tighten gun laws and make it impossible for a douchebag like this to obtain a gun in the first place. But we all know that if he really wanted a gun to do this, he'd buy it on the black market.

I don't think there's a policy answer for something like this. It just sucks, not really sure what you can do, unless you want to post an armed guard outside of every high school and college classroom in the country (which would cost way too much money).

I do agree with you though Big C, they should have cancelled classes for crying out loud. I've got no idea what administration was thinking, maybe they needed more time to process what happened; who knows. My first reaction would have been to cancel class though.

Yeah but stuff like this doesn't really seem to happen in countries with strict gun laws. Sure doesn't happen over here

[hesscl34]

The mental health of this person is the big issue, and the US is terrible about getting people help. The laws SUCK and they let people walk every day that should be in a hospita getting the help they need. A sick person cannot know when he's ok to go home!!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

The mental health of this person is the big issue, and the US is terrible about getting people help. The laws SUCK and they let people walk every day that should be in a hospita getting the help they need. A sick person cannot know when he's ok to go home!!

This is probably true, Hessy. But ultimately everyone has to be responsible for his or her own mental condition, not the government.