Grade Dan Snyder

skinsfan69 · 04-18-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Intentions aside, I'll say a D.

It boils down to a very simple formula: Wins and Losses.

You are so right. I don't count 99 because Casserly built that team. Snyder had nothing to do with 99. So 2000-2006, that's 7 NFL seasons, we have made the playoffs one time. Enough said.

memphisskin · 04-18-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Gibbs definitely gets a D in my book. But don't we currently have, what, ten threads on this timely debate?

You are right my friend, I fell for TMC's bait and switch. Touche' TMC, you win this time...

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-18-2007, 01:35 PM

HA. No bait and switch, I just feel VERY, VERY opinionated as does SS about the subject of GM. I'm sure SS of all people remember this Simpsons episode, but does anyone else remember when Mr. Burns has a finch as the official "owner" of the plant? Maybe that's an idea for our GM.

MTK · 04-18-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The grades are a bit higher than I expected from many people here.

They seem to be adjusted upward for his "good intentions".

Would George W. Bush get a higher grade because his 'heart was in the right place'? Or don't you ultimately have to judge the final results?

That's assuming W's heart was in the right place which is a huge assumption if you ask me. But that's a debate for another thread.

Southpaw · 04-18-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The grades are a bit higher than I expected from many people here.

They seem to be adjusted upward for his "good intentions".

Would George W. Bush get a higher grade because his 'heart was in the right place'? Or don't you ultimately have to judge the final results?

Ditto. Who cares about good intentions when the result of those intentions has been hot garbage for the majority of Snyders' tenure as owner?

And I think some people are misinterpreting his "burning desire to win". While I do think Snyder would blow his wad if Washington won the Superbowl, I think it would be because he would be able to sell several thousand more Portis jerseys, Redskins championship hats, and buckets of Popeye's Chicken(one of two official chickens of the Washington Redskins). The actual Superbowl victory, and what it means to the team, coaching staff, and fans would be an after thought.

MTK · 04-18-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Ditto. Who cares about good intentions when the result of those intentions has been hot garbage for the majority of Snyders' tenure as owner?

And I think some people are misinterpreting his "burning desire to win". While I do think Snyder would blow his wad if Washington won the Superbowl, I think it would be because he would be able to sell several thousand more Portis jerseys, Redskins championship hats, and buckets of Popeye's Chicken(one of two official chickens of the Washington Redskins). The actual Superbowl victory, and what it means to the team, coaching staff, and fans would be an after thought.

There are plenty of profitable ventures out there other than owning a football team. I think Snyder would want to win a Super Bowl for many reasons, money is probably on the list somewhere but mainly I think he'd love to rub the media's nose in it. Also, the guy did grow up a serious Skins fan, so I'd imagine the dream of being the owner of your favorite team when they win a Super Bowl is still very much alive.

SmootSmack · 04-18-2007, 01:59 PM

The problem is that Sndyer is a huge fan, has been all his life. And it took him a few years to realize he can't act like a fan. He has to act as the owner first. So when people on this board bitch and moan about how did we lose that preseason game or how are we 5-6, he can't do the same. He has to step back and say "OK, big picture what's the situation here" And he's gotten much better, with considerable help from Gibbs, at doing that.

hooskins · 04-18-2007, 02:15 PM

Well it depends if you are grading for effort or performance. For performance it is D. Only think keeping it from F is Gibbs. Doesnt matter how hard he tried in the end it is responsibility as an owner to understand how to make a winning franchise and he obviously hasn't.

His heart has been in the right place though.

ArtMonkDrillz · 04-18-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

HA. No bait and switch, I just feel VERY, VERY opinionated as does SS about the subject of GM. I'm sure SS of all people remember this Simpsons episode, but does anyone else remember when Mr. Burns has a finch as the official "owner" of the plant? Maybe that's an idea for our GM.

Dude! It was a canary, not a finch! Christ, don't you remember?
He said the "C" in C.M. Burns stands for Canary M. Burns. Then he proceeds to peak at the little mirror for a minute.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go finish applying my Clearasil and braces rubberbands.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-18-2007, 02:19 PM

Dammit. I feel...so...ashamed.

F'ed in the A.

hooskins · 04-18-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Dammit. I feel...so...ashamed.

F'ed in the A.

PWNED n00b!!!11!

SmootSmack · 04-18-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Dammit. I feel...so...ashamed.

F'ed in the A.

I think Finch was a co-worker

GMScud · 04-18-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You forgot to put in F-. If you put that in I would cast my vote as F-.
He is the one of the worst owners in sports. Who cares if he wants to win. The question is does he know how to win?

1. How do you fire Norv with a 7-6 record? Fire the guy after the season, not during. AWFUL!
2. 2000 speding spree was a complete joke.
3. Ran off Brad Johnson for Jeff George. AWFUL!
4. Fired Marty after he had the team on the right track. AWFUL!
5. Hired OBC who was a joke of an NFL coach. Why wouldn't you hire Marvin Lewis? Complete stupidity.
6. Charging fans for training camp. Would JKC ever do this? Hell no.
7. Not bringing in a GM. If Danny Boi really wanted to win as badly as we all know he does then he would bring in someone who knows how to do it. Why is Floyd Reese still working for ESPN? Who cares if it pisses off Gibbs. Too bad.
8. Why does he keep Vinny around? No reason to do so. WTF has Vinny done since he has been here? Oh yeah. He brought in Trung Canidate and let go of Steven Davis. Simply pathetic.

There is so much more but no need to even bring it up. He sucks as an owner. Period.

AMEN BROTHER!! I gave him a D, only, ONLY b/c he brought Joe Gibbs back. That bumped him up a grade. Otherwise he's a big, emphatic, F.

Jamaican'Skin · 04-18-2007, 04:23 PM

He gets an F for effort

Monkeydad · 04-18-2007, 04:27 PM

B from me.

He gets the best players he can, whether people thinks he's overpaying or not. He manages to stay in good cap shape by writing contracts we can work with and renegotiate annually so we can afford the players we need. If the players don't work out, like Arch, it's not HIS fault...he fills the roster holes, not runs practices and workouts. Bonus points for bringing back Gibbs and handing him control of the team. He just writes checks and does it better than anyone else. While on finances, he has made the Redskins the most valuable sports organization IN THE WORLD. We're worth a billion dollars!

Why he doesn't get an A? Well, the first few years and the Spurrier experiment. He has learned from the "get vets to win now" mindset and has helped us develop a great core of young players for the long-term like Taylor, Cooley, Campbell, Sellers, etc.

Snyder gives us a team that can win on paper. When injuries or bad performances happen, it's NOT his fault.

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04-18-2007, 01:35 PM	#33
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Grade Dan Snyder HA. No bait and switch, I just feel VERY, VERY opinionated as does SS about the subject of GM. I'm sure SS of all people remember this Simpsons episode, but does anyone else remember when Mr. Burns has a finch as the official "owner" of the plant? Maybe that's an idea for our GM. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-18-2007, 01:59 PM	#37
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Grade Dan Snyder The problem is that Sndyer is a huge fan, has been all his life. And it took him a few years to realize he can't act like a fan. He has to act as the owner first. So when people on this board bitch and moan about how did we lose that preseason game or how are we 5-6, he can't do the same. He has to step back and say "OK, big picture what's the situation here" And he's gotten much better, with considerable help from Gibbs, at doing that. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-18-2007, 02:15 PM	#38
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 38 Posts: 8,606	Re: Grade Dan Snyder Well it depends if you are grading for effort or performance. For performance it is D. Only think keeping it from F is Gibbs. Doesnt matter how hard he tried in the end it is responsibility as an owner to understand how to make a winning franchise and he obviously hasn't. His heart has been in the right place though. __________________ Vacancy

04-18-2007, 02:19 PM	#40
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Grade Dan Snyder Dammit. I feel...so...ashamed. F'ed in the A. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-18-2007, 04:23 PM	#44
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 38 Posts: 2,418	Re: Grade Dan Snyder He gets an F for effort

04-18-2007, 04:27 PM	#45
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 46 Posts: 17,460	Re: Grade Dan Snyder B from me. He gets the best players he can, whether people thinks he's overpaying or not. He manages to stay in good cap shape by writing contracts we can work with and renegotiate annually so we can afford the players we need. If the players don't work out, like Arch, it's not HIS fault...he fills the roster holes, not runs practices and workouts. Bonus points for bringing back Gibbs and handing him control of the team. He just writes checks and does it better than anyone else. While on finances, he has made the Redskins the most valuable sports organization IN THE WORLD. We're worth a billion dollars! Why he doesn't get an A? Well, the first few years and the Spurrier experiment. He has learned from the "get vets to win now" mindset and has helped us develop a great core of young players for the long-term like Taylor, Cooley, Campbell, Sellers, etc. Snyder gives us a team that can win on paper. When injuries or bad performances happen, it's NOT his fault.

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