How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended?

[onebum]

all of them, other than some

[irish]

Its a moot point because Vick is going to the slammer and by the time he gets out his career will be toast. Vick is done playing football.

[Dlyne8r]

Everyone on this board has offered very valid reasons for their choice in how many games Vick should be suspended, if any at all. That’s what makes this site so good: intelligent and informed conversation. But what frustrates me so much is this one simple thing: If this incident involved me or any one else on this board, we would be facing insurmountable obstacles. In fact, we most likely would lose our jobs, our income, and even worse, our families. Even if we had NOT been given the opportunity to go through the legal system. Why then should an athlete, or a celebrity, people that have huge amounts of income, be treated any different than we average people?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

Everyone on this board has offered very valid reasons for their choice in how many games Vick should be suspended, if any at all. That’s what makes this site so good: intelligent and informed conversation. But what frustrates me so much is this one simple thing: If this incident involved me or any one else on this board, we would be facing insurmountable obstacles. In fact, we most likely would lose our jobs, our income, and even worse, our families. Even if we had NOT been given the opportunity to go through the legal system. Why then should an athlete, or a celebrity, people that have huge amounts of income, be treated any different than we average people?

Good thoughts. Well for one, our legal system doesn't treat athletes like average people because we don't treat them like average people.

Unfortunately, money can buy you freedom in this country. In this case, however, I think he'll be prosecuted, if not to the full extent of the law, enough to make the average Joe happy about it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

our legal system doesn't treat athletes like average people because we don't treat them like average people.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Well stated.

Still, I think even the level of celebrity he is matters. Let's face it, if this is Sage Rosenfels he's probably suspended by now. Isn't he?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Well stated.

Still, I think even the level of celebrity he is matters. Let's face it, if this is Sage Rosenfels he's probably suspended by now. Isn't he?

Sage would definitely be suspended by now. And I think the Commish and the Falcons are in a bit of quandry because it's Michael Vick and there are so many implications with suspending or kicking him out all together.
If they seem too harsh on him, then it's because they want to make an example of him. If their too soft, it's because of his name and his money.

People think that Pac Man was the precendent, but Pac Man is no Michael Vick. It wasn't until maybe 18 months ago that Vick's image began to suffer.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

Everyone on this board has offered very valid reasons for their choice in how many games Vick should be suspended, if any at all. That’s what makes this site so good: intelligent and informed conversation. But what frustrates me so much is this one simple thing: If this incident involved me or any one else on this board, we would be facing insurmountable obstacles. In fact, we most likely would lose our jobs, our income, and even worse, our families. Even if we had NOT been given the opportunity to go through the legal system. Why then should an athlete, or a celebrity, people that have huge amounts of income, be treated any different than we average people?

Welcome to America. $$ talks.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

Everyone on this board has offered very valid reasons for their choice in how many games Vick should be suspended, if any at all. That’s what makes this site so good: intelligent and informed conversation. But what frustrates me so much is this one simple thing: If this incident involved me or any one else on this board, we would be facing insurmountable obstacles. In fact, we most likely would lose our jobs, our income, and even worse, our families. Even if we had NOT been given the opportunity to go through the legal system. Why then should an athlete, or a celebrity, people that have huge amounts of income, be treated any different than we average people?

I totally agree, I still am pissed they let Ray Lewis off for obstruction of justice, when he could have been the perp in the murder he was involved in. They nailed Rae Carruth for murder, but kept Ray Lewis on the field. This was a very big mistake and probably was the precedent that kicked off all this bad behavior. $$$$$$$$$ and prestige can keep you above the law. Just look at OJ and our so called "leaders" in DC. When men are above the law in any nation, look out!!!!!!!

[Beer is Food]

Your poll doesn't list "suspend with out pay until resolved." And, if guilty "Suspend for Life."

To all you "don't rush to judgement, innocent until proven guilty, look at Duke" guys:

All absurd arguments. Vick is under federal indictment for multiple serious felonies. Included in this indictment are gambling charges. The league has every right to suspend Vick prior to conviction, but may choose not to. It's the wrong choice. By not acting- the league is tacitly giving preferential treatment to Vick and tarnishing the NFL's image. The reason this is the case, is because they have the power and precedent to suspend vick. There are multiple charges and illegal gambling is included in the charge. By not suspending Vick, the commish is in essence saying that the league doesn't think Vick's Federal Indictment is worthy of receiving the full force of his office.

As far as "Rushing to judgement" goes- Vick will get his day in court. The fact that he has been federally indicted is enough for any private or public company for that matter, to suspend an employee. Most companies would just fire you. If your employer found out that you were under Federal Idictment, would you not be fired or suspended? Innocent until proven guilty is the measurement used to convict. Civil matters in court are held to a lesser standard- Preponderance of the evidence. And, as far outside of a court room- Business makes it's own decisions and public opinion is for each of us to decide. So why would the NFL be rushing to judgement if they suspend Vick? They don't have to use the same criteria a courtroom does for an employee. And, ask yourself... would you invite a person charged with a violent felony to your home or work? Would you be "rushing to judgement" if you said no- because a court of law hasn't determined if he's been proven guilty? C'mon!

As far as, Duke goes. PLEASE! Just because there has been one injustice doesn't mean you have to throw out the entire system. And, in fact, there wasn't an injustice because the Duke players were proven innocent and let off in the end. The criminal Lawyer was punished. Did the players suffer in public opinion? YES! Was it wrong for the public to judge these guys negativley? NO! It was common sense based on experience. And, with the Duke case, I think there were many people besides myself who were more shocked that the case went as far as it did.

If the NFL decides it should spot light an accused felon as one of their "stars", so be it. I just hope the fans and more importantly the sponsers, show gumption enough to make the so called "get tough" commish suffer.

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by Beer is Food

Your poll doesn't list "suspend with out pay until resolved." And, if guilty "Suspend for Life."

To all you "don't rush to judgement, innocent until proven guilty, look at Duke" guys:

All absurd arguments. Vick is under federal indictment for multiple serious felonies. Included in this indictment are gambling charges. The league has every right to suspend Vick prior to conviction, but may choose not to. It's the wrong choice. By not acting- the league is tacitly giving preferential treatment to Vick and tarnishing the NFL's image. The reason this is the case, is because they have the power and precedent to suspend vick. There are multiple charges and illegal gambling is included in the charge. By not suspending Vick, the commish is in essence saying that the league doesn't think Vick's Federal Indictment is worthy of receiving the full force of his office.

As far as "Rushing to judgement" goes- Vick will get his day in court. The fact that he has been federally indicted is enough for any private or public company for that matter, to suspend an employee. Most companies would just fire you. If your employer found out that you were under Federal Idictment, would you not be fired or suspended? Innocent until proven guilty is the measurement used to convict. Civil matters in court are held to a lesser standard- Preponderance of the evidence. And, as far outside of a court room- Business makes it's own decisions and public opinion is for each of us to decide. So why would the NFL be rushing to judgement if they suspend Vick? They don't have to use the same criteria a courtroom does for an employee. And, ask yourself... would you invite a person charged with a violent felony to your home or work? Would you be "rushing to judgement" if you said no- because a court of law hasn't determined if he's been proven guilty? C'mon!

As far as, Duke goes. PLEASE! Just because there has been one injustice doesn't mean you have to throw out the entire system. And, in fact, there wasn't an injustice because the Duke players were proven innocent and let off in the end. The criminal Lawyer was punished. Did the players suffer in public opinion? YES! Was it wrong for the public to judge these guys negativley? NO! It was common sense based on experience. And, with the Duke case, I think there were many people besides myself who were more shocked that the case went as far as it did.

If the NFL decides it should spot light an accused felon as one of their "stars", so be it. I just hope the fans and more importantly the sponsers, show gumption enough to make the so called "get tough" commish suffer.

Well said Beer is Food.

[Dlyne8r]

Yes, I understand the obvious, $$ talks and those with a lot of it can get away with anything (i.e.-OJ Simpson). I just hope that the NFL is consistent with the punishment they give out to ALL of the players.

[BigSKINBauer]

well right now none. Who is the commish to play judge and jury? Now a few restrictions to what times he is to be out could be in order to keep him out of trouble but no suspension should be put down. If he breaks any rules set in place for him, then suspend him.

If he is guilty he has many more things to worry about. No need to ever suspend him, he'll be in jail. If he is guilty he is definitely spending some time iin jail, no way out of it. Hopefully there is no plea agreement with no jail time. That would upset a lot of people. If a plea deal does happen then suspend the bitch for a year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

well right now none. Who is the commish to play judge and jury? Now a few restrictions to what times he is to be out could be in order to keep him out of trouble but no suspension should be put down. If he breaks any rules set in place for him, then suspend him.

If he is guilty he has many more things to worry about. No need to ever suspend him, he'll be in jail. If he is guilty he is definitely spending some time iin jail, no way out of it. Hopefully there is no plea agreement with no jail time. That would upset a lot of people. If a plea deal does happen then suspend the bitch for a year.

I think it's less about judge and jury and more so about him being the "CEO" of the league, and Vick being an employee of that league. If I was suspected of running a dogfighting ring, my guess is I'm not hanging around at work while awaiting trial

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it's less about judge and jury and more so about him being the "CEO" of the league, and Vick being an employee of that league. If I was suspected of running a dogfighting ring, my guess is I'm not hanging around at work while awaiting trial

probably true, but that is the difference between normal people and people in the spotlight. His job isn't contingent on being smart or having a good attitude. Its him being good at throwing a ball and running around. I say that because a company could argue that you made bad decisions to put you in this position, but for nfl athletes i don't feel that matters. No one cares that he is an idiot.

My second point is, i think it is wrong regardless. We don't know everything about this case so how can anyone punish someone that can be innocent. Do i think he is innocent? Hell no, but its the moral of the issue. Now, if this was to happen to us our bosses would know even less than we know about this case. We know as much as we do only because he is a star. Our bosses would know very little about the case than we know right now about vick and w/o all the info i think it is wrong to punish someone who may have done no wrong.


So i don't think he should be suspended. Now, do i want him to be suspended? I do, because i feel he had a strong part in this and i feel he will get off easier than I would if i had done it. I am playing judge and jury now but in the matter of what i want, it is for him to be suspended. It also makes my day more interesting but wanting someone to lose their job for my ammusement sounds really bad.

[Jamaican'Skin]

From what I've heard regarding the case, the Virginia court where the trial will be taking place is good at moving things along quickly. So if he's going to be convicted, we should know about it quickly