Is Sean Taylor that good or...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

with all respect to the pats,they can kill you with any of the 3 all pro wrs they have.
dallas wrs to,crayton,and witten are nowhere nearly as good as the pats wrs are.ST was the difference in that game yesterday,if he plays no way does TO score 4 tds.

And the difference is the Pats didn't go down the field all day, they picked us apart with the underneath stuff. They clearly respected ST in centerfield, just as Dallas would have done yesterday if he was playing.

[chrisl4064]

we will get to see sean in december be the difference maker, i garuntee you T.O. doesnt have a post game media celebration like he did this time.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

with all respect to the pats,they can kill you with any of the 3 all pro wrs they have.
dallas wrs to,crayton,and witten are nowhere nearly as good as the pats wrs are.ST was the difference in that game yesterday,if he plays no way does TO score 4 tds.

When have Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth been all pro's?

TO may not have scored 4 td's. But somehow I still think Dallas finds a way to win that game. With or w/out Taylor.

[DiehardSkin88]

Skinsfan69.. You dont think wes welker and stallworth are all pros, last year stallworth was the one killing us when he was on the eagles. And welker is one of the best slot receivers in football... all that with tom brady throwing. ANd yes, pats did not go deep that often, they would throw it in the flat to the rb for 15 yards each time. Yoiu obviously dont kno what your talkin bout

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DiehardSkin88

Skinsfan69.. You dont think wes welker and stallworth are all pros, last year stallworth was the one killing us when he was on the eagles. And welker is one of the best slot receivers in football... all that with tom brady throwing. ANd yes, pats did not go deep that often, they would throw it in the flat to the rb for 15 yards each time. Yoiu obviously dont kno what your talkin bout

I guess not.

[Big C]

sean taylor is amazing....but to answer the quesiton i think its a combination of things. i think our defense that williams has created for this season has focused on taylor and landry, mostly taylor preventing the big play, i didnt see much change in the defense now that he is out, i think he expected prioleau and doughty to be able to do the same things, which they obviously cant. i put more of that on williams, give them more help back there...

[Cowell]

I really do think Sean Taylor is THAT good.

I also think that our safety depth is THAT bad. We have no one behind Taylor and Landry, and we really paid for it this week. You can blame the coaches all you want but the players need to be able to run the play and adjust to what the offense is running. They did neither and left TO running alone almost all day.

[TheBigD]

I think everyone is saying that the game would TOTALLY be different if ST was in the game just because he wasn't. We will never know if is true or not.

ST is a big time player and makes people pay for catching balls in the middle. Good receivers, however, have been able to take advantage of his agressiveness. Stallwarth last year, he burned him with a hitch and go or in an out twice in one game. I think Plexice did the same thing this year (I think this year), he just stepped a side and ST totally missed him because he was running so hard.

If ST would have covered TO well, Witten would have had a career day. If not Witten then Crayton.

Maybe one or two of those touchdowns wouldn't happen, and maybe the Skins would be up near the end of the game. But then again, Dallas would have played different on D. Dallas would also not try to run the ball twice to kill the clock.

IMO, it came down to GW not doing a good job of adjusting to TO and his routs. Couple that with blown coverages and you get those easy TDs.

BTW, Big C...nice sig. I hope we beat UVA in the Commonwealth Bowl.

[RMSkins]

No way T.O. scores 4tds if Sean Taylor was playing yesterday. It's as simple as that.

[Defensewins]

This game does expose on thing:
Reed Doughty is not ready to be in the safety rotation. He really pissed me off.
I know GW and Gibbs have a man crush on R. Doughty, but it is time to cut our loses. The guy is a good special teamer, but that is not enough in these days of the salary cap. Everyone has to be good enough to eventually play in the starting lineup. Injuries hit every year and we can not afford to carry a guy on the roster that is a good Special teamer but can not hold down his position in the starting line up if called upon.
Doughty has been given a ton of chances and every time he gets extended playing time he gets burned.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This game does expose on thing:
Reed Doughty is not ready to be in the safety rotation. He really pissed me off.
I know GW and Gibbs have a man crush on R. Doughty, but it is time to cut our loses. The guy is a good special teamer, but that is not enough in these days of the salary cap. Everyone has to be good enough to eventually play in the starting lineup. Injuries hit every year and we can not afford to carry a guy on the roster that is a good Special teamer but can not hold down his position in the starting line up if called upon.
Doughty has been given a ton of chances and every time he gets extended playing time he gets burned.

I agree. He's no Matt Bowen. I appreciate his situation with his sick son and how hard he works, but sometimes you just need more from a guy in the talent department. He didn't come close yesterday. I'm not saying we have a better option right now, but I find it hard to believe he'll be around next year. He was one of the last guys to make the 53-man this year.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I think everyone is saying that the game would TOTALLY be different if ST was in the game just because he wasn't. We will never know if is true or not.

If ST would have covered TO well, Witten would have had a career day. If not Witten then Crayton.

BTW, Big C...nice sig. I hope we beat UVA in the Commonwealth Bowl.

And if not Crayton then Anthony Fasno, or maybe if ST was playing then Dallas would have run the ball for 300 yards, or ...

That sort of speculation is less founded than others saying ST would have changed the game. It would have been a different game with Sean Taylor, he is an elite player, he is a top five pick, and Reed Doughty is a 6th round special teamer. Here's another fact, in four games when T.O. has played against the Skins with Sean Taylor patrolling the middle he has never gone over 100 yards receiving:

T.O. has never even gone over 100 yards receiving when facing Skins defense with Sean Taylor in the lineup:

2004 - 2-24; 6-46
2005 - DNP; DNP
2006 - 3-19; 7-76

Here's an easy way to settle it...on the field. 41 days...

Oh, and Wahoo Wa, Chris Long is coming too.

[Skinner]

yes my man Sean Taylor is THAT good, TO wouldve prob scored once if ST played

[sportscurmudgeon]

Sorry to be the dissenter here but if Sean Taylor had played he would probably not have picked off one of TO's TD passes and broken up two others. Sean Taylor's great strength is the big hit and the spectacular play. He is not now - nor has he ever been - really good at that thing they call "coverage".

Go back and look at game films from past seasons when he's been perfectly healthy and you'll see him chasing people into the end zone and arriving just a tad late to break up pass plays.

And you'll see him biting on double moves like Rosie O'Donnel going after an elcair.

The Skins were hampered by the loss of Taylor because it made them play a far less "gambling" defense because they did not have him back there 20 yards from the line of scrimmage to handle the mistakes of others. But if anyone thinks that he's "the great cover guy" who can stop a player like TO ask yourself this:

If he covers so well, how come he isn't the best shut-down cornerback in the NFL?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Sorry to be the dissenter here but if Sean Taylor had played he would probably not have picked off one of TO's TD passes and broken up two others. Sean Taylor's great strength is the big hit and the spectacular play. He is not now - nor has he ever been - really good at that thing they call "coverage".

Go back and look at game films from past seasons when he's been perfectly healthy and you'll see him chasing people into the end zone and arriving just a tad late to break up pass plays.

And you'll see him biting on double moves like Rosie O'Donnel going after an elcair.

The Skins were hampered by the loss of Taylor because it made them play a far less "gambling" defense because they did not have him back there 20 yards from the line of scrimmage to handle the mistakes of others. But if anyone thinks that he's "the great cover guy" who can stop a player like TO ask yourself this:

If he covers so well, how come he isn't the best shut-down cornerback in the NFL?

Ummm, because he plays safety?