6 Turnovers= A poorly coached team

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

2004 and 2006 were definitely ugly, there's no question about that, but how about the 2005 playoff win? And you've written off 2007 (typical for a Redskins fan) as though it's over.

I have always believed that this is a QB-driven league. We haven't had a QB since Gibbs I. We haven't done well for 2 or more years in a row since Gibbs I. We now have a promising, if inconsistent, QB under center. We have shown promise and inconsistency this year. Get my drift?

I think it's a good point that a team typically goes as far as the QB can take them. Right now our season is a reflection of our QB play. Up and down. When JC takes the next step, so will the team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why are some people so reluctant to place blame where it belongs, on the players.

Why is it always the coaches fault??

This thread is predicated on a weak argument. But it's not Stack's fault, it's yours Matty. As the head ego you need to correct these mental lapses in poor threads.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This thread is predicated on a weak argument. But it's not Stack's fault, it's yours Matty. As the head ego you need to correct these mental lapses in poor threads.

LOL hey it's your fault too

[GTripp0012]

Now that it's all hip...I want some blame for this thread also!

But seriously, the title of this thread is "6 Turnovers= A poorly coached team". And that's just never, ever, necessarily true regardless of the circumstances.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Now that it's all hip...I want some blame for this thread also!

But seriously, the title of this thread is "6 Turnovers= A poorly coached team". And that's just never, ever, necessarily true regardless of the circumstances.

I just laughed and shook my head when I saw this thread title.

After the game I was thinking ok, outside of the decision to go for it on 4th and short there should be no major gripes with the coaching today. The turnovers are all on the players, and then bingo we have this thread.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I just laughed and shook my head when I saw this thread title.

After the game I was thinking ok, outside of the decision to go for it on 4th and short there should be no major gripes with the coaching today. The turnovers are all on the players, and then bingo we have this thread.

Even that decision was the correct one, statistically speaking. They were backed up on their own four and consequently went 3 and out.

When you are that close to the goal line, you want to take advantage of the field position and try to punch it in. The chronic inability for this team to pick up a yard on the ground is a whole different story, and has been for the last two years. At some point, we are going to want to get that corrected.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Even that decision was the correct one, statistically speaking. They were backed up on their own four and consequently went 3 and out.

When you are that close to the goal line, you want to take advantage of the field position and try to punch it in. The chronic inability for this team to pick up a yard on the ground is a whole different story, and has been for the last two years. At some point, we are going to want to get that corrected.

How much you want to bet that if we had converted a first down there, someone would have started a thread saying "Horrible Call on 4th Down...We Should Have Gone with the Bootleg for the Touchdown. Gibbs Has No Guts"

[NYCSkin]

Just looking at the replay from that 4th down play--if Portis breaks it outside to the left he walks in. I didn't mind the call--it was early in the half--and you're right about the field position. I'd rather have Gibbs be aggressive in that instance...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How much you want to bet that if we had converted a first down there, someone would have started a thread saying "Horrible Call on 4th Down...We Should Have Gone with the Bootleg for the Touchdown. Gibbs Has No Guts"

Of course.

Unless we win. Then none of these nitpicky things matter to that crowd.

Don't let them know that the ultimate outcome of the game has nothing to do with the reasoning for any given decision.

The whole notion that if we lose, something must have gone wrong on Gibbs' end is really draining from the board. When we win, we get very reasonable, solid debates on select coaching decisions. When we lose, no one seems to remember the first thing about coaching football.

[firstdown]

I thought this year all the players were at our work outs and only Springs came late and maybe one other player.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I just laughed and shook my head when I saw this thread title.

After the game I was thinking ok, outside of the decision to go for it on 4th and short there should be no major gripes with the coaching today. The turnovers are all on the players, and then bingo we have this thread.

I agree - this loss is on the players. Even after not getting the 1st down, the D forced TB 3-and-out with a punt out of the end zone. The 1st half turnovers were just too much to overcome - coaches don't fumble and throw INTs.

[BDBohnzie]

A poorly coached team is not in the game until the very end when they have 6 turnovers...

The Skins gave the Bucs every opportunity to put the game away early, and the Skins defense bent, but did not break. Both sides of the ball stepped up in the 2nd half and played almost perfectly. The offense moved the ball with ease, while the defense geared up and put the kibosh on the Bucs. The coaches made the necessary adjustments at halftime, and the Skins came out a totally different team.

The Bucs defense are notorious for going for the strip, and were very successful in the 1st half yesterday. Campbell's fumble was caused by a breakdown of pass protection, as he did step up when he was getting rushed from the outside...Samuels got beat worse than a red-headed stepchild on whipping day.

The Bucs also have 2 Pro Bowl Corners who make big plays when called upon. Brian Kelly and Ronde Barber made plays when they needed them most, and made them on a young Quarterback.

I think the coaching staff had the Redskins prepared for yesterday. The players did not execute early, and it came back to bite them in the end. 4 turnovers in 5 possessions is completely uncalled for. You cannot blame the coaches for player execution for one game. Over the course of a season, you can blame coaches for not having players prepared. However, the 2nd half showed that this team was prepared, they just didn't execute in the 1st half.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

With Campbell, I say coaching does come into play. Now that he's fumbled in several of the last games, someone needs to coach him up about holding onto the ball and feeling the pressure.

That comes with the territory of inexperience. I can tell you how to do something but you have to figure it out yourself practice pressure & game pressure are different.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Coaching had nothing - as in 0% - to do with any of the turnovers yesterday. They were entirely - as in 100% - execution error on the part(s) of the player(s).

In addition to the turnovers, there were more than a couple of dropped passes too. Before anyone gets any ideas, the coaches weren't responsible for those drops either...

[Skins_FanFL]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Moss stretched out for extra yards and got the ball knocked out. I don't see how that is the coaches fault. Either you want our guys to stretch out for those extra yards and risk losing the ball, or you want them to play it safe and secure the ball with both hands at the expense of extra yards. Seems funny that the "we hate conservative play" crowd has the balls to attack the players for not being conservative and going for extra yards.

Jason Campbell lost a fumble when his arm was coming forward because Samuels didn't sustain a block. Yeah, JC should know better than to expose the ball when throwing the ball.

Jason Campbell threw two ill-advised passes and got picked. On one pick JC threw to Moss' outside shoulder instead of the inside shoulder. I'm not sure how JC's inaccuracy is Gibbs' fault. The other pick took place when JC underthrew Moss. So Gibbs et al are to blame for JC not putting enough mustard on the ball?

Portis' fumbles are simply inexcusable. But, it's not as though Portis has had a fumbling problem these past few years.

I heard Gibbs is also to blame for the Titanic going down, was in on 9/11, and masterminded Katrina. People can accuse me of drinking Kool-Aid for this post, but whatever. I've got to call out idiocy when I see it.

Well said. Play selection, that's coaching. Fumbles, that's on the field stuff.