Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans?

SC Skins Fan · 12-03-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Bengals would probably be willing to part with Chad Johnson for the right price.

Just saying.

Do you think that price would include a #1 pick? Probably if the Redskins are doing the trading it would. But Javon Walker went for a #2 (coming off the ACL and after refusing to play for GB again, plus he did not have the resume Ocho Cinco has and also hasn't worked out too well in Denver). Moss went for a 4th (don't see any bargains like this coming down the pike, the first time he was traded it was for Nap Harris and the #7 overall pick), Welker went for a 2nd and 7th (I think). Since Ocho hasn't begged out of Cincy yet it wouldn't seem like the Skins would be getting any bargains. I also wonder about such having a such a dominant personality (and I like Chad) with Jason, I wonder how that would play.

It'd nice to have a guy start here in DC and grow up with Jason, though the WR development process is often a painful one and even the "can't miss" Calvin Johnson hasn't contributed all that much to this point.

SC Skins Fan · 12-03-2007, 01:02 PM

Not sure if all the info is 100% accurate, but it seems pretty good. Here is a list of potential Free Agents. The list looks pretty bare to me. Looks like any real development is going to have to come through the draft. Jared Allen is the one really big name, but he'll get hit with the Franchise tag for sure or else get extended in KC. Justin Smith is also out there, though the Bengals franchised him this year so might they again? Asante Samuel will command too much $$$ and no other DBs look all that tempting.

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memphisskin · 12-03-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Do you think that price would include a #1 pick? Probably if the Redskins are doing the trading it would. But Javon Walker went for a #2 (coming off the ACL and after refusing to play for GB again, plus he did not have the resume Ocho Cinco has and also hasn't worked out too well in Denver). Moss went for a 4th (don't see any bargains like this coming down the pike, the first time he was traded it was for Nap Harris and the #7 overall pick), Welker went for a 2nd and 7th (I think). Since Ocho hasn't begged out of Cincy yet it wouldn't seem like the Skins would be getting any bargains. I also wonder about such having a such a dominant personality (and I like Chad) with Jason, I wonder how that would play.

It'd nice to have a guy start here in DC and grow up with Jason, though the WR development process is often a painful one and even the "can't miss" Calvin Johnson hasn't contributed all that much to this point.

First, no way we're going to get a bargain. Our MO has been to identify the guy that we want and then to overpay to get him, that includes re-doing his contract. Our three headed monster at the top falls in love with "their guy," flies him in, and throws a $10 million dollar signing bonus at him to keep him here.

We've always operated like we were on the cusp of greatness, if we had just kept our draft picks and actually "developed" our own players then we'd be reaping the benefits. Instead, I would love for us to stop looking for the "quick fix." We finally seem to have our owner off his addiction to sexy free agents, now we need to be real and instead of being paper champs figure out what we need to put a winning team on the field.

theJBexperience · 12-03-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by memphisskin

We've always operated like we were on the cusp of greatness, if we had just kept our draft picks and actually "developed" our own players then we'd be reaping the benefits. Instead, I would love for us to stop looking for the "quick fix." We finally seem to have our owner off his addiction to sexy free agents, now we need to be real and instead of being paper champs figure out what we need to put a winning team on the field.

Agreed.

memphisskin · 12-03-2007, 12:36 PM

I have argued with people for hours about our receiving corps, but the proof is in the pudding. Cooley without question is a beast. The rest, I love 'em all since they are Skins but there's a reason we were trying to get Calvin Johnson in the draft last year. We add a big strong wideout like him and I think our offense takes off. Part of the reason I think Cooley leads us in catches is because he's the tallest target we have.

Our receiving corps is serviceable, but they don't excel because for some reason we just can't get them in space.

That said, I love McCardell, but if our 2008 plans include depending on McCardell then we're already sunk. He's crafty, but the fact that he came in and played right away is an indictment on our receiving corps.

freddyg12 · 12-03-2007, 12:40 PM

S. Moss has done a lot for the team, not just the 05 dallas game. But he's hobbled all the time & is obviously not in the class of those few great wr's that get open despite everyone knowing their qb is looking for them all the time.

ARE is a good slot reciever, but can't beat many db's down field.

I would love to see the Skins draft a wr that could earn a starting job but I would hope we wouldn't use a 1st or 2nd rnd. pick.

gibbs et al are certainly going to be looking in the offseason, just as they were late this offseason and into the reg. season.

Beemnseven · 12-03-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

I would love to see the Skins draft a wr that could earn a starting job but I would hope we wouldn't use a 1st or 2nd rnd. pick.

I used to think that too, but this team has so many holes, just about any position you pick in the first round won't hurt at this point.

The way I see it, with next year's draft, the areas we seem to have covered are QB, RB, and LB. In every other position, we could use some help.

MTK · 12-03-2007, 12:41 PM

Berrian is a speed guy and not much else in my opinion.

We need a true go to guy, a guy that can be counted on for crucial possession type catches, but someone that can also stretch the field.

scafuri27 · 12-03-2007, 02:22 PM

Caldwell has been a pleasant surprise..Even with Moss's injuries lately I dont think WR is a top priority in the Draft. Some playmakers on the D line is what we need in the draft.

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-03-2007, 02:47 PM

I think Crabtree from Texas Tech will be the surprise of the draft. I think he could be had in the late first and lower second rounds and will be a huge success.

GMScud · 12-03-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think Crabtree from Texas Tech will be the surprise of the draft. I think he could be had in the late first and lower second rounds and will be a huge success.

I agree that Crabtree will be a beast. But he's only a freshman (which makes his #'s even more unbelievable). Unfortunately he has to play 2 more years before he's eligible for the NFL Draft....

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-04-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree that Crabtree will be a beast. But he's only a freshman (which makes his #'s even more unbelievable). Unfortunately he has to play 2 more years before he's eligible for the NFL Draft....

I didn't know that until I looked him up yesterday and I was like DAMN. He's going to be the next can't miss WR prospect.

onlydarksets · 12-03-2007, 04:49 PM

How about some consistent playcalling and a decent gameplan first? With a healthy O-line, I think our offensive weapons are fine. We need depth at O-line, and you can never have too much help on the defensive side of the ball (especially at safety

). Let's try that before proclaiming a WR as a cureall.

memphisskin · 12-03-2007, 06:49 PM

I hope that we can find the answer either through the draft or on our own team, because year after year we look for the answer in free agency and our hit/miss ratio has to be 1:4 at best. So the chances of us actually identifying and landing that free agent are slim at best, probably because we hold things like "character" above "talent." Because while we were trying to move up to get Calvin Johnson there was no thought about us going to get Randy Moss.

I'm not saying character shouldn't play a role, but if the Sean Taylor media coverage proves anything its that we don't really know these guys as well as we may think.

Beemnseven · 12-04-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by memphisskin

I hope that we can find the answer either through the draft or on our own team, because year after year we look for the answer in free agency and our hit/miss ratio has to be 1:4 at best. So the chances of us actually identifying and landing that free agent are slim at best, probably because we hold things like "character" above "talent." Because while we were trying to move up to get Calvin Johnson there was no thought about us going to get Randy Moss.

I was thinking about Randy Moss too, and I'll bet there are lots of teams wondering why they didn't pursue him. Problem is, he came to the Pats for way less because he wants a ring. He wouldn't have gone anywhere else unless the offer was out of this world.

Not only that, knowing our season, he probably would have gotten injured.

12-03-2007, 12:36 PM	#5
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? I have argued with people for hours about our receiving corps, but the proof is in the pudding. Cooley without question is a beast. The rest, I love 'em all since they are Skins but there's a reason we were trying to get Calvin Johnson in the draft last year. We add a big strong wideout like him and I think our offense takes off. Part of the reason I think Cooley leads us in catches is because he's the tallest target we have. Our receiving corps is serviceable, but they don't excel because for some reason we just can't get them in space. That said, I love McCardell, but if our 2008 plans include depending on McCardell then we're already sunk. He's crafty, but the fact that he came in and played right away is an indictment on our receiving corps.

12-03-2007, 12:40 PM	#6
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? S. Moss has done a lot for the team, not just the 05 dallas game. But he's hobbled all the time & is obviously not in the class of those few great wr's that get open despite everyone knowing their qb is looking for them all the time. ARE is a good slot reciever, but can't beat many db's down field. I would love to see the Skins draft a wr that could earn a starting job but I would hope we wouldn't use a 1st or 2nd rnd. pick. gibbs et al are certainly going to be looking in the offseason, just as they were late this offseason and into the reg. season.

12-03-2007, 12:41 PM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? Berrian is a speed guy and not much else in my opinion. We need a true go to guy, a guy that can be counted on for crucial possession type catches, but someone that can also stretch the field. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-03-2007, 02:22 PM	#9
scafuri27 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Agawam, Massachusetts Posts: 132	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? Caldwell has been a pleasant surprise..Even with Moss's injuries lately I dont think WR is a top priority in the Draft. Some playmakers on the D line is what we need in the draft.

12-03-2007, 02:47 PM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? I think Crabtree from Texas Tech will be the surprise of the draft. I think he could be had in the late first and lower second rounds and will be a huge success. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

12-03-2007, 01:02 PM	#2
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? Not sure if all the info is 100% accurate, but it seems pretty good. Here is a list of potential Free Agents. The list looks pretty bare to me. Looks like any real development is going to have to come through the draft. Jared Allen is the one really big name, but he'll get hit with the Franchise tag for sure or else get extended in KC. Justin Smith is also out there, though the Bengals franchised him this year so might they again? Asante Samuel will command too much $$$ and no other DBs look all that tempting. 2008 NFL Free Agents __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

12-03-2007, 04:49 PM	#13
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? How about some consistent playcalling and a decent gameplan first? With a healthy O-line, I think our offensive weapons are fine. We need depth at O-line, and you can never have too much help on the defensive side of the ball (especially at safety ). Let's try that before proclaiming a WR as a cureall. __________________ Stop reading my signature.

12-03-2007, 06:49 PM	#14
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans? I hope that we can find the answer either through the draft or on our own team, because year after year we look for the answer in free agency and our hit/miss ratio has to be 1:4 at best. So the chances of us actually identifying and landing that free agent are slim at best, probably because we hold things like "character" above "talent." Because while we were trying to move up to get Calvin Johnson there was no thought about us going to get Randy Moss. I'm not saying character shouldn't play a role, but if the Sean Taylor media coverage proves anything its that we don't really know these guys as well as we may think.

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