Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Unfortunately, can't fry the shooter if he was under 17 when it took place, per the Supreme Court.

(It matters only the age at which it took place, not the age at sentencing.)

This got John Malvo off the fryer, if you remember.

My wife wondered if maybe the others agreed to say the 17 yr old did it for just that reason.


Don't know FL law about whether or not they have a 'triggerman statute' determining if only the triggerman can be given the Death penalty.

Almost certainly will be LWOP (Life Without Opportunity for Parole) case.

J-Dawg.

Spoke to my friend who used to work in the Florida judicial system - even though the others did not pull the trigger they can all be tried for the death penalty (as long as they are over 18 like you said) according to Florida law. My friend went on to say that Reed Rubin is the prosecutor in the case and he is tough as nails and will most likely go full force in getting as long a sentence as possible for all the defendents or death if possible. Also my friend went on to tell me that life in prison in Florida means their entire living years (not like some states where life may mean a certain number of years) and that there will be no possibility of parole for these guys unless the governor grants Clemency which has not happened in Florida I believe ever. Finally the judge who is overseeing the case is a former prosecutor and is not light on criminals per my friends dealings with him - even if this is a trial by jury these guys are in a world of trouble. My friend said the only way one of these guys doesn't get life is if they make a plea deal turning on the others and maybe he would get a lesser sentence like 25-30 years.

Here is an excerpt from USA that states what these guys are facing:
If the suspects are convicted of first-degree murder, all but the juvenile could be handed a death sentence. While he is expected to be charged as an adult, the juvenile would instead face 25 years to life in prison, as Florida law prohibits executing those who were minors at the time of the crime.

Suspects charged with murder in Sean Taylor case - USATODAY.com

[RobH4413]

I'm actually getting a gun because of this. This hasn't necessarily motivated me to get a gun, but just started my train of thought.

I'm moving to College park in less than a month. It's a rather dangerous campus and robberies like this happen all the time. No kids going to stumble upon it, and I'm going to be ridiculously careful.

The fact is, shit like this happens all the time, and if I'm strapped... It won't happen to me.

[henry12portis26]

That Douchebag Rivera wants to get a peal deal ... well f#ck him hopefully we burns in his jail cell for life... he wont get one and will become someones bitch for a longtime... fuckin punk bitch

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I'm actually getting a gun because of this. This hasn't necessarily motivated me to get a gun, but just started my train of thought.

I'm moving to College park in less than a month. It's a rather dangerous campus and robberies like this happen all the time. No kids going to stumble upon it, and I'm going to be ridiculously careful.

The fact is, shit like this happens all the time, and if I'm strapped... It won't happen to me.

If you're serious, get training. Spend time at the range. Don't just buy it and carry it.

[dmek25]

more guns equal more killing. its simple math. the second amendment rights will be settled in early 2008 by the supreme court. its something that was needed back in the early days. not so much anymore. i wonder how many gun owners would give up their guns, if it meant saving just one life? i would give up some of my personal enjoyments, if i could save someone from dying

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by dmek25

more guns equal more killing. its simple math. the second amendment rights will be settled in early 2008 by the supreme court. its something that was needed back in the early days. not so much anymore. i wonder how many gun owners would give up their guns, if it meant saving just one life? i would give up some of my personal enjoyments, if i could save someone from dying

Having a gun has saved MY life. Not having a gun I'd be dead. Plain and simple.

You can look at "is it worth saving a life" from both sides of the coin.

[dmek25]

Keyshawn Johnson had a great analogy on TV Sunday. said he went back to his hometown after his first season as a pro. was hell bent on raising his kids there. they all went into the barbershop where he had been getting his hair cut his whole life. while in the chair someone put a gun to his head, and robbed the whole shop. he knew right then and there he had to change his life style, and his choice of friends. and munny, i would give up any of my individual rights if it meant a more safe community, and country , in which i lived in

[Riggo44]

I wish he had installed a better security system and bought 3 or 4 Rottweiler’s to live in the yard.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Riggo44

I wish he had installed a better security system and bought 3 or 4 Rottweiler’s to live in the yard.

Well he used to have 4 pitbulls that he got rid of after the whole Vick fiasco because he didn't want people giving him a hard time about it

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well he used to have 4 pitbulls that he got rid of after the whole Vick fiasco because he didn't want people giving him a hard time about it

I didn't know that what a shame. Just another reason to not to like Vick.

[WaldSkins]

chris sameuls just bought a gun for himself as protection in wake of the sean taylor investigation. Just saw it on Rome Is Burning

[redskinsfanatic]

owning a gun is a right in america.i can't understand why somebody that made the type of money that ST did and had a baby and a mate to protect chose to not pay a few grand for a home security system?we can all look back on the what ifs here,but none of that is gonna bring back sean taylor.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

owning a gun is a right in america.i can't understand why somebody that made the type of money that ST did and had a baby and a mate to protect chose to not pay a few grand for a home security system?we can all look back on the what ifs here,but none of that is gonna bring back sean taylor.

He did have one, but I think it wasn't activated that night. I wanna say so his mom and sister could get in and out no problem

[rypper11]

The death penalty can be asked for in cases where a murder is commited during the course of a felony (ie breaking and entering, grand larceny, rape, etc). Therefore, the blights on humanity that were 18 or over could and should be executed.
The number of liberal pacifists who are against the death penalty always shrinks when someone they know and love is hurt.
It pisses me off even further that these bigoted assholes (Wilbon, Cowturd, etc) that blasted Sean for having a weapon the last time he faced dirt trying to take what was his now say it's his fault for dying. If the state of Florida hadn't told Sean that he couldn't carry a weapon to defend himself they wouldn't have to house these punks now.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by rypper11

The number of liberal pacifists who are against the death penalty always shrinks when someone they know and love is hurt.

Liberalism and pacifism shouldn't even enter into it. I'm a believer in both, but I'm also a believer in efficiency, and as Sean Taylor himself proved, multiple second chances *IF* a person can be rehabilitated.

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean much because our "corrections" system isn't designed for rehabilitation, it's designed strictly for incarceration and for easy political grandstanding.

But, like I said, the other side is the efficiency question. I think life sentences are just stupid. If someone's never going to get out of jail, we need to ask the question: will this person produce something, *ANYTHING* over the course of his tenure in prison, that will even come close to matching the cost of his inprisonment?

If not, and if that person's appeals have been exhausted, I think you have to consider the idea of just speeding up nature's due process and saving the state a lot of resources...