Randy Moss Not Franchised

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-21-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by love them hogs

Did lucky die?

i guess the kids finally caught him

sportscurmudgeon · 02-21-2008, 11:54 PM

Let's try to be objective here for just a moment:

At the top of his game, Randy Moss is better than ANY WR the Redskins have put on the field since Bobby Mitchell retired - - and maybe he's even better than Bobby Mitchell. None of the heroes this team has put on the field for the past decade can even aspire to be a jock-sniffer in the elite status that Randy Moss and a few other WRs in NFL history inhabit.

In case I haven't made myself clear, Randy Moss is so much better than any WR the Redskins have been able to put on the field in the past 30 years that it isn't even worthy of discussion.

So ... should the Skins try to sign him? No!

Randy Moss has shown in college and in the NFL that he excels under two different sets of circumstances:

1. HE is THE man and the focus of ALL the offensive accolades for the team.

or

2. The team is destined for the Super Bowl - - or better yet - - is destined to be undefeated for the season.

Neither of these conditions is likely to obtain in Washington in 2008 or 2009 or 2010 and that's the length of time - at a minimum - it will take to sign Moss and pay him and have his guaranteed money spread out sufficiently that it does not turn him into a salary cap nightmare.

Bottom Line: He's not worth the risk/cost.

SpeedyDuncan · 02-22-2008, 12:13 AM

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;424944]Let's try to be objective here for just a moment:

At the top of his game, Randy Moss is better than ANY WR the Redskins have put on the field since Bobby Mitchell retired - - and maybe he's even better than Bobby Mitchell. None of the heroes this team has put on the field for the past decade can even aspire to be a jock-sniffer in the elite status that Randy Moss and a few other WRs in NFL history inhabit.

In case I haven't made myself clear, Randy Moss is so much better than any WR the Redskins have been able to put on the field in the past 30 years that it isn't even worthy of discussion.

I would be willing to discuss Art Monk vs. Moss on more than one level. I think it's worthy of a discussion.

sportscurmudgeon · 02-22-2008, 01:30 AM

Speedy Duncan:

Art Monk was a great WR. He is in the HoF and it took too long for him to get there.

In their primes, Randy Moss is simply a better WR than Art Monk was. That is not to demean Monk; it is just a recognition that there have been better WRs in the NFL than Art Monk and Randy Moss is one of them.

By the way, Jerry Rice was another one of them. So was ...

Redskin · 02-22-2008, 02:53 AM

If I was Randy Moss, super bowl or not, I dont think I would like being under apreciated as much as the New Enland Patriots have underapreciated him. Tom Brady and BB come out and say all this great stuff about Randy and then they dont franchise him or even sign him at a high proce to say "hey we understand how big a part of the team you were last season" to me that is a slap in the face. If I were say Randy Moss I would take a different route to a place where a teams front office might appreciate him more.

Would I like to see him in B&G, I haved mixed feelings on that and you cant say he effects the offense where ever he goes just look what he did in Oakland. He may be a risky investment but maybe he can make some slacker team a contender.

That Guy · 02-22-2008, 04:37 AM

he took a 6mill paycut to join the pats last year, and kraft is a VERY rich owner with more cap room than us. I think not franchising him was a gesture of respect, and I'd still bet the house he's in NE when it's said and done.

you can't argue the results, and I'd imagine the guys in the locker room love him and his 22 TDs something fierce.

he's probably got 5 more good years left, as weird as that sounds (seems like he's been around forever), and while he'd definitely give us a huge offensive boost, I can't see him wanting to come here and we can't afford him anyways.

dmek25 · 02-22-2008, 06:47 AM

you guys make me laugh. remember back when Moss walked off the field against Washington before the game was over? just about everyone around here said nothing but how big a cancer he is, and hoped he never would suit up in D.C. as for the patriots not franchising him, i don't think its out of respect. name one player the patriots have gone out of their way to show respect to. they have had some of their own walk away, without an inkling of gratitude. i say he ends up elsewhere. and in my opinion, not here

That Guy · 02-22-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

you guys make me laugh. remember back when Moss walked off the field against Washington before the game was over? just about everyone around here said nothing but how big a cancer he is, and hoped he never would suit up in D.C. as for the patriots not franchising him, i don't think its out of respect. name one player the patriots have gone out of their way to show respect to. they have had some of their own walk away, without an inkling of gratitude. i say he ends up elsewhere. and in my opinion, not here

how many of those players had 22 receiving TDs and brady's full backing?

dmek25 · 02-22-2008, 07:21 AM

i really think Randy Moss is all about Randy Moss. who ever gives him the fattest contract, is where he will end up. i guess time will tell

sandtrapjack · 02-22-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Let's try to be objective here for just a moment:

At the top of his game, Randy Moss is better than ANY WR the Redskins have put on the field since Bobby Mitchell retired - - and maybe he's even better than Bobby Mitchell. None of the heroes this team has put on the field for the past decade can even aspire to be a jock-sniffer in the elite status that Randy Moss and a few other WRs in NFL history inhabit.

In case I haven't made myself clear, Randy Moss is so much better than any WR the Redskins have been able to put on the field in the past 30 years that it isn't even worthy of discussion.

So ... should the Skins try to sign him? No!

Randy Moss has shown in college and in the NFL that he excels under two different sets of circumstances:

1. HE is THE man and the focus of ALL the offensive accolades for the team.

or

2. The team is destined for the Super Bowl - - or better yet - - is destined to be undefeated for the season.

Neither of these conditions is likely to obtain in Washington in 2008 or 2009 or 2010 and that's the length of time - at a minimum - it will take to sign Moss and pay him and have his guaranteed money spread out sufficiently that it does not turn him into a salary cap nightmare.

Bottom Line: He's not worth the risk/cost.

Have you considered that Moss's accomplishments were a major factor in the Patriots undefeated regular season?

23 TD's in a season (new NFL record), lets take away HALF of those TD's he caught and say he only caught 12 as a "mortal" reciever.

Does NE have an undefeated regular season then? How many games in the last half of the season did they win by less than 6 points? Plenty.

Just saying that he is not looking for an undefeated season, but rather he was a reason for that undefeated regular season.

I do hear what you are saying though. Moss is a very one-dimensional player. It is the deep ball or nothing. If he was really that good, he would not have been a bust in Oakland. Problem was in Oakland by the time Moss looked for the ball the QB was already on his back. Lousy O-line.

Moss is not the guy to go over the middle and get those tough yards in the middle of the secondary.

MTK · 02-22-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i really think Randy Moss is all about Randy Moss. who ever gives him the fattest contract, is where he will end up. i guess time will tell

maybe, but that doesn't help explain why he took a $5M paycut last year to play for NE.

I'm sure he wants a payday, but I think he wants a payday with a contender. I don't think we'll see him going back to an Oakland caliber of team anytime soon.

dmek25 · 02-22-2008, 08:36 AM

i think he was out to prove to everyone that he could still be an elite receiver, after that disaster in Oakland. and sandtrap, that's like saying what came first, the chicken or the egg? i can argue that New England would have went undefeated during the regular season without Moss. it seemed like in all of those close games, it was Welker, Gaffney, or someone other then Moss winning the game for them. and, to change the subject alittle, my best friend, who is a huge cowboy fan, said in the Dallas paper, the cowboys are very interested in Moss. have you heard anything about this?

sandtrapjack · 02-22-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i think he was out to prove to everyone that he could still be an elite receiver, after that disaster in Oakland. and sandtrap, that's like saying what came first, the chicken or the egg? i can argue that New England would have went undefeated during the regular season without Moss. it seemed like in all of those close games, it was Welker, Gaffney, or someone other then Moss winning the game for them. and, to change the subject a little, my best friend, who is a huge cowboy fan, said in the Dallas paper, the cowboys are very interested in Moss. have you heard anything about this?

And I can argue that the success of Welker and Gafney in those situations was the double and triple teaming on Moss. Moss does not have to catch the winning ball to be a contributing factor. Just being on the field is enough. You think a defense is going to have single coverage on the teams most potent WR with the game on the line?

No I have not heard that at all about Moss and Dallas, if you have a link I am interested in reading it. But that is about it.

Moss to Dallas does not sound like a good marriage to me at all. If anything Dallas has to get younger at WR. Owens is 35 and Glenn is 34. Crayton just signed an extension and had a good regular season but choked in the post season.

Glenn will get released I believe. That knee problem won't go away.

We already have one "diva" WR, why would we need another?

Besides, who would get to wear number 81?

The "original 81" or the "other 81"?

Dallas had their chance at Moss 10 years ago when they passed on him in the draft.

#56fanatic · 02-22-2008, 09:10 AM

I dont know that we would have the space to sign him to what its going to take, but if we can why not. The guy was nothing short of awesome last year. His attitude changed, he just wants to win. I think given the weapons we have here with Santana, Randel El, Cooley and Portis it may be something that is attractive to him. Danny will no doubt look to see what its going to take. I dont know why anyone would NOT want to take a see what its going to take.

IF we can work it out, why not? he puts us on whole other level offensively if he signs here.

Daseal · 02-22-2008, 09:32 AM

Moss will not go to Dallas. Moss hates Dallas. Ever since they told him they would draft him, then passed on him he's held a grudge. Check his career numbers vs Dallas.

I seriously doubt he'd go to Dallas now. He's staying in NE. It's the perfect situation for him. He wants a ring and I can't think of any team that has a better chance every single year than the pats.

02-21-2008, 11:54 PM	#32
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised Let's try to be objective here for just a moment: At the top of his game, Randy Moss is better than ANY WR the Redskins have put on the field since Bobby Mitchell retired - - and maybe he's even better than Bobby Mitchell. None of the heroes this team has put on the field for the past decade can even aspire to be a jock-sniffer in the elite status that Randy Moss and a few other WRs in NFL history inhabit. In case I haven't made myself clear, Randy Moss is so much better than any WR the Redskins have been able to put on the field in the past 30 years that it isn't even worthy of discussion. So ... should the Skins try to sign him? No! Randy Moss has shown in college and in the NFL that he excels under two different sets of circumstances: 1. HE is THE man and the focus of ALL the offensive accolades for the team. or 2. The team is destined for the Super Bowl - - or better yet - - is destined to be undefeated for the season. Neither of these conditions is likely to obtain in Washington in 2008 or 2009 or 2010 and that's the length of time - at a minimum - it will take to sign Moss and pay him and have his guaranteed money spread out sufficiently that it does not turn him into a salary cap nightmare. Bottom Line: He's not worth the risk/cost. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-22-2008, 12:13 AM	#33
SpeedyDuncan Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 43	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised [quote=sportscurmudgeon;424944]Let's try to be objective here for just a moment: At the top of his game, Randy Moss is better than ANY WR the Redskins have put on the field since Bobby Mitchell retired - - and maybe he's even better than Bobby Mitchell. None of the heroes this team has put on the field for the past decade can even aspire to be a jock-sniffer in the elite status that Randy Moss and a few other WRs in NFL history inhabit. In case I haven't made myself clear, Randy Moss is so much better than any WR the Redskins have been able to put on the field in the past 30 years that it isn't even worthy of discussion. I would be willing to discuss Art Monk vs. Moss on more than one level. I think it's worthy of a discussion.

02-22-2008, 01:30 AM	#34
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised Speedy Duncan: Art Monk was a great WR. He is in the HoF and it took too long for him to get there. In their primes, Randy Moss is simply a better WR than Art Monk was. That is not to demean Monk; it is just a recognition that there have been better WRs in the NFL than Art Monk and Randy Moss is one of them. By the way, Jerry Rice was another one of them. So was ... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-22-2008, 02:53 AM	#35
Redskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: University of South Carolina Age: 36 Posts: 577	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised If I was Randy Moss, super bowl or not, I dont think I would like being under apreciated as much as the New Enland Patriots have underapreciated him. Tom Brady and BB come out and say all this great stuff about Randy and then they dont franchise him or even sign him at a high proce to say "hey we understand how big a part of the team you were last season" to me that is a slap in the face. If I were say Randy Moss I would take a different route to a place where a teams front office might appreciate him more. Would I like to see him in B&G, I haved mixed feelings on that and you cant say he effects the offense where ever he goes just look what he did in Oakland. He may be a risky investment but maybe he can make some slacker team a contender. __________________ University Of South Carolina '11 Go Cocks and Go Skins #21#RIP Sean Taylor a TRUE Redskin#21# <--Hey wheres my green approval rating?

02-22-2008, 04:37 AM	#36
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised he took a 6mill paycut to join the pats last year, and kraft is a VERY rich owner with more cap room than us. I think not franchising him was a gesture of respect, and I'd still bet the house he's in NE when it's said and done. you can't argue the results, and I'd imagine the guys in the locker room love him and his 22 TDs something fierce. he's probably got 5 more good years left, as weird as that sounds (seems like he's been around forever), and while he'd definitely give us a huge offensive boost, I can't see him wanting to come here and we can't afford him anyways.

02-22-2008, 06:47 AM	#37
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised you guys make me laugh. remember back when Moss walked off the field against Washington before the game was over? just about everyone around here said nothing but how big a cancer he is, and hoped he never would suit up in D.C. as for the patriots not franchising him, i don't think its out of respect. name one player the patriots have gone out of their way to show respect to. they have had some of their own walk away, without an inkling of gratitude. i say he ends up elsewhere. and in my opinion, not here __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-22-2008, 07:21 AM	#39
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised i really think Randy Moss is all about Randy Moss. who ever gives him the fattest contract, is where he will end up. i guess time will tell __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-22-2008, 08:36 AM	#42
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised i think he was out to prove to everyone that he could still be an elite receiver, after that disaster in Oakland. and sandtrap, that's like saying what came first, the chicken or the egg? i can argue that New England would have went undefeated during the regular season without Moss. it seemed like in all of those close games, it was Welker, Gaffney, or someone other then Moss winning the game for them. and, to change the subject alittle, my best friend, who is a huge cowboy fan, said in the Dallas paper, the cowboys are very interested in Moss. have you heard anything about this? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-22-2008, 09:10 AM	#44
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised I dont know that we would have the space to sign him to what its going to take, but if we can why not. The guy was nothing short of awesome last year. His attitude changed, he just wants to win. I think given the weapons we have here with Santana, Randel El, Cooley and Portis it may be something that is attractive to him. Danny will no doubt look to see what its going to take. I dont know why anyone would NOT want to take a see what its going to take. IF we can work it out, why not? he puts us on whole other level offensively if he signs here.

02-22-2008, 09:32 AM	#45
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Randy Moss Not Franchised Moss will not go to Dallas. Moss hates Dallas. Ever since they told him they would draft him, then passed on him he's held a grudge. Check his career numbers vs Dallas. I seriously doubt he'd go to Dallas now. He's staying in NE. It's the perfect situation for him. He wants a ring and I can't think of any team that has a better chance every single year than the pats. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

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