Julius Peppers, now thats worth breaking the bank!

[skinsfan69]

I say we draft a DE. Peppers is not worth the risk.

[SmootSmack]

I thought I heard there were a lot of Peppers to the Vikings rumors as well, which would just be sick. The Vikings as is are looking pretty good going into 2008

[Cooley1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I thought I heard there were a lot of Peppers to the Vikings rumors as well, which would just be sick. The Vikings as is are looking pretty good going into 2008

They sure are looking good, possibly a good QB, or average play with little turnovers from Jackson, to making a run. I see them in the second round of the playoffs this year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I thought I heard there were a lot of Peppers to the Vikings rumors as well, which would just be sick. The Vikings as is are looking pretty good going into 2008

You think so? IMO it's not going to matter as long as they have no QB. Do you know if they were trying to trade for Sage Rosenfelds?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You think so? IMO it's not going to matter as long as they have no QB. Do you know if they were trying to trade for Sage Rosenfelds?

Yeah, last I heard they offered a 3rd but the Texans were asking for a 2nd. They also reportedly offered a late round pick for Chris Simms, which the Bucs rejected. But that could be revisited too.

I look at the division and I think they have a great shot even with T. Jackson to take the division with a 9-7/10-6 record. I guess a lot will depend on just how good Aaron Rodgers will be with the Packers.

[rypper11]

I absolutely want him. He is not a leader or a self motivating player, but he is a dominant force. During the Pussycats heyday Minter pushed every player on that D to play harder. Losing Minter last year hurt him because he needs to be led and motivated. Coach Blache, Fletcher, Springs, Daniels and Washington won't let him slack. Ever. This would be the greatest signing ever!
I would absolutely trade at least two 2nd rounders and possibly add a 6 or 7 to it for him.
The question is, how do we afford him? I think he absolutely worth $7mil/yr. But how do we afford it?

[Longtimefan]

While JP has in previous years demonstrated the type of physical dominance most teams covet, it's not likely we'll be interested in offering the Panthers what they would want in trade.

Furthermore, neither would we be interested in paying the type contract he would be seeking for his services.

Look for the team to continue the approach you've witnessed since the beginning of FA. It's a nice thought, just not likely to happen.

[Cooley1]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I absolutely want him. He is not a leader or a self motivating player, but he is a dominant force. During the Pussycats heyday Minter pushed every player on that D to play harder. Losing Minter last year hurt him because he needs to be led and motivated. Coach Blache, Fletcher, Springs, Daniels and Washington won't let him slack. Ever. This would be the greatest signing ever!
I would absolutely trade at least two 2nd rounders and possibly add a 6 or 7 to it for him.
The question is, how do we afford him? I think he absolutely worth $7mil/yr. But how do we afford it?

That’s how I feel about it, you don't forget how to play but with a little motivation, and a good locker room (which we have), he would reclaim his dominance in becoming the best DE in the league.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Cooley1

That’s how I feel about it, you don't forget how to play but with a little motivation, and a good locker room (which we have), he would reclaim his dominance in becoming the best DE in the league.

the guy was surrounded by leaders in the locker room in Carolina. John Fox is a defensive coach, who drafted him. Steve Smith, Vinny T, Morgan, Jenkins, all were there trying to get this guy to play hard, intense and he did nothing. Look, maybe a change of scenary will work, but to break the bank with a guy like him, coming off a horrible season, and basically was getting beat one on one every snap, i say no way.
Carolina stunk, but the defense was not horrible. it was decent. I believe it finished top 15?? I just so no. I live in Charlotte and hear the bad stuff every day during the season and I just dont want him on my team.

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

the guy was surrounded by leaders in the locker room in Carolina. John Fox is a defensive coach, who drafted him. Steve Smith, Vinny T, Morgan, Jenkins, all were there trying to get this guy to play hard, intense and he did nothing. Look, maybe a change of scenary will work, but to break the bank with a guy like him, coming off a horrible season, and basically was getting beat one on one every snap, i say no way.
Carolina stunk, but the defense was not horrible. it was decent. I believe it finished top 15?? I just so no. I live in Charlotte and hear the bad stuff every day during the season and I just dont want him on my team.

nah man.. you are kinda wrong on this.. I remember hearing a big thing about there being no leaders in caroline and they were trying to force the leader role on peppers.. you cant just force that on him... Ever since their safety retired their team sucked. They dont have ANY team leaders. Steve Smith is a playmaker, but hes not a team leader.

btw- i just moved back to VA from raleigh, i was living there for about 2 years, and I have a lot of family in Raleigh and charlotte, and my cousin and my uncle by marriage are huge panther fans and they have been saying the same thing. At least they got lucky with Beason.

[Dirtyskin21]

i'd rather keep the pick and hopefully we can land a stud in the lower rounds rounds.. Look at the studs we have landed in the 5th and 6th. Imagine the type of players we will be able to get with the 1st,2nd,and 2-3rd's. I dont think between the contract he's gonna want, and the picks we will have to give up would be worth it.

But if he was a FA, I would def say pull the trigger. A physical specimen like peppers will be a freak until he's 30 at least, last year he was just on a bad defense and they had NO team leaders and so his numbers and play sucked. You can't base one bad year on the rest of his career, especially when he has been AWESOME every season before.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtyskin21

i'd rather keep the pick and hopefully we can land a stud in the lower rounds rounds.. Look at the studs we have landed in the 5th and 6th.

I can't remember who mentioned him first here. But Hampton's DE Kendall Langford could be a steal late.

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I can't remember who mentioned him first here. But Hampton's DE Kendall Langford could be a steal late.

exactly, look how good we have been drafting players in the high rounds.. imagine what kind of studs we will be grabbing with the first 4 picks.

We have a 1st, a-2nd, 2-3rds,5th(not sure if we have 2 5ths or not),6th, and 2-7ths.[the comp 7th is more like the first shot at signing UDFA]

(but the comp pick is more like the first pick in the begining of the 4th round) So I would just say we have a full set of picks if you count that comp pick as a replacement for our 4th we gave away for duckett.

I think we are going to get some GREAT players out this years draft. Theres not much talent difference between a 1st rounder and a 3rd this year so that REALLY helps people with later round picks like us. jmo
though

[Slingin Sammy 33]

I agree with the folks that are saying, "Why would Carolina let Peppers go if they still expected him to be productive?" Here are three reasons to pass:

1) Peppers will cost WAYYYY too much and if his best days are "in the rear view" that would really hurt our cap.
2) We should be able to get a solid DE in the 1st Rd this year (MERLING !).
3) Daniels has at least one more solid year and he knows the system very well. Carter played well last year. Our back-up DEs appear to have potential.

Plus, don't you guys remember the last "Pepper" to come thru DC....Pepper Rodgers.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I agree with the folks that are saying, "Why would Carolina let Peppers go if they still expected him to be productive?" Here are three reasons to pass:

1) Peppers will cost WAYYYY too much and if his best days are "in the rear view" that would really hurt our cap.
2) We should be able to get a solid DE in the 1st Rd this year (MERLING !).
3) Daniels has at least one more solid year and he knows the system very well. Carter played well last year. Our back-up DEs appear to have potential.

Absolutely agree...except...Daniels and "one more solid season doesn't mesh well with me. He is inferior.

Plus, don't you guys remember the last "Pepper" to come thru DC....Pepper Rodgers.

That's a blast from the not so distant past. Wasn't he the VP of operations here before Cerrato? What ever happened to him?