Picking Kelly over Sweed

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, but the point was no one is going to confuse Keyshawn Johnson for Steve Smith/Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/Torry Holt.

That's the kind of player Malcolm Kelly can never be. A very good player is something he can be.

I'm not clear as to why you seem so sure about his potential.

[LandrySlice]

Let's not be too fast to judge this guys potential until 2 or 3 years down the road. I have a feeling he and Thomas will be used in certain situations throughout the season, but will not be every down WR's until next year if they are lucky. I love the pick, especially Kelly, but lets have some patience with him. In the words of the wise Greg Novis "Trust in Vinny!"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not clear as to why you seem so sure about his potential.

Well, I don't know why we are supposed to assume he might be able to accomplish physical feats that people with similar measurables to him simply have never, ever been able to accomplish.

He looks for the world to see like a pretty good receiver prospect. Let's be honest here, I don't know what's so groundbreaking about pointing out that he's totally dissimmilar to the elite receivers in the game. I'm not even using any cool numbers or anything to arrive at that conclusion. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

People are optimistic about the draft class, as rightly they should be this time of the year. I'm just lurking to point out realistic concepts that are being overlooked.

Keyshawn Johnson, to me, epitomizes a receiver who did every thing right fundamentally, but never really was an elite player at his position, because that wasn't his game. Maybe there's a player that better epitomizes his upside, who I'm not thinking of, but I'm alright with what I'm saying nevertheless.

Now, something I haven't said about Kelly yet is there is a certain degree of uncertainty around scouting him that worries me a tad. That "has been charted with one dropped pass" doesn't mean a lot because he skipped his Senior season. If he stayed, he might have dropped 7-8 passes and been a fifth round draft pick. Who knows? That's the uncertainty effect working here.

I am optimistic about his progression however, and based on what the teams knew, it looks like a lot of other teams passed on him for piss poor reasons. And for that we should be fortunate.

Although the fact that Kelly was still around at No. 51 (as well as Sweed, Manningham, etc.) really makes the "value" that was Devin Thomas look more like a reach. Just sayin.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, but the point was no one is going to confuse Keyshawn Johnson for Steve Smith/Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/Torry Holt.

Point taken.

That's the kind of player Malcolm Kelly can never be. A very good player is something he can be.

Not that Kelly is the next Jerry Rice...but people pooed on Rice's potential too...the sky is the limit with these kids. He will be as good as he wants to be. No one knows at this point.

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, but the point was no one is going to confuse Keyshawn Johnson for Steve Smith/Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/Torry Holt.

That's the kind of player Malcolm Kelly can never be. A very good player is something he can be.

No one is going to mistake steve smith for Terrell Owens or Regie Wayne for Rnady Moss because although they are all WR they all play the game differently ... Johnson was one of the top WRs in the game until people focused on his attitude rather than his production ... I don't see how you can write Kelly off because he is similar to another NFL star who didn't quite live up to his extremely lofty expectations ...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

No one is going to mistake steve smith for Terrell Owens or Regie Wayne for Rnady Moss because although they are all WR they all play the game differently ... Johnson was one of the top WRs in the game until people focused on his attitude rather than his production ... I don't see how you can write Kelly off because he is similar to another NFL star who didn't quite live up to his extremely lofty expectations ...

Good post.

ps- if Kelly turns out to be the next Keyshawn Johnson, we got a STEAL!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Malcolm Kelly can be a very valuable player for us for a long time and DEFINATELY seems to be a good value pick at 51. Problem is that his speed issues do prevent him from having the potential to develop into a top of the line receiver.

Still, I'm happy we have him.

40 yard time is incredibly overrated. Jerry Rice and Cris Carter both ran around 4.7 and they did nothing but make plays. We drafted Taylor Jacobs over Anquan Boldin after Boldin ran a 4.7. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, put more stock in game footage than the combine, film doesn't lie. Had we heeded the Rose Bowl film of Desmond Howard struggling to get off the line against a physical Washington Huskies D, we might have avoided that bust.

Kelly looks great on film and good luck to CBs that try jamming him at the line of scrimmage.

[dmek25]

instead of joining the argument, let me pass out some kool aid. because im happy with the picks we made. i really wanted line help, but these are the guys we have. and this makes me smile, because i believe our offense will look totally different this year. in a good way

[MTK]

I'm not saying we're supposed to assume anything... but that's my point.

Let's see how it plays out, that's all I'm sayin.

[Daseal]

Didn't this guy run the same speed 40 as Jerry Rice? I'm not saying he's going to be Jerry Rice -- what I am saying is straight line speed may not be the best NFL indicator.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Didn't this guy run the same speed 40 as Jerry Rice? I'm not saying he's going to be Jerry Rice -- what I am saying is straight line speed may not be the best NFL indicator.

Too much is made of 40 times, with Kelly, his ability to explode off the the line, get position on DB's, and use his frame to shield defenders will be more important in this offense than straight line speed. His ability to go in the middle (where we hardly threw the ball at all last year) and make the tough catch to move the chains is just as valuable an asset as speed. I consider him a perfect comlement to Moss, and Randle El.

As far a comparing him to Limas Sweed, only time will tell on that one. It's difficult to try to make a production comparison at this time because there's nothing to compare them too. We need to see them both play at the NFL level in order to make any determination.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Too much is made of 40 times, with Kelly, his ability to explode off the the line, get position on DB's, and use his frame to shield defenders will be more important in this offense than straight line speed. His ability to go in the middle (where we hardly threw the ball at all last year) and make the tough catch to move the chains is just as valuable an asset as speed. I consider him a perfect complement to Moss, and Randle El.

As far a comparing him to Limas Sweed, only time will tell on that one. It's difficult to try to make a production comparison at this time because there's nothing to compare them too. We need to see them both play at the NFL level in order to make any determination.

Nice post LTF, kind of stole my thunder.

Burst, quickness, suddenness are IMO better attributes for a WR than flat line speed, these attributes will allow WR's to get open more frequently, couple that with Kelly's size, his ability to use his body to shield defenders, and his great hands, I believe he is a great fit for the WCO. He may not have tested well but his game speed looked very good to me, I do not believe that speed will be an issue with Kelly.

Although we had IMO more pressing needs in this draft I do believe we definitely picked a very talented draft, I look for almost the entire draft class to be on the opening day roster and that ain't bad.

As for the Sweed comparison? He received the nod on going over the middle, that evaluation couldn't be more wrong, he dropped plenty of passes in traffic over the middle, Kelly made every catch that he could put a finger on over the middle. I wouldn't be a happy camper right now if we had picked Sweed over Kelly, time will tell who really is better but I think it will be Kelly!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

How many times does anyone just run 40 yards in the NFL without changing direction at all?

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

How many times does anyone just run 40 yards in the NFL without changing direction at all?

every time you run a fade

[SeanTaylor21]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

every time you run a fade

Or just a go route.