Defensive line..Stop the man crushes..

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you might need some perspective on Rob Jackson. While he's flashed some promise he's still a very green rookie. The practice squad for him isn't that outrageous of a thought.

I agree. Both he & the team would be elated if he makes the PS. if he's really that good, somebody will snag him. Making the practice squad as a 7th rounder & being available if somebody gets hurt would be ideal though.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you might need some perspective on Rob Jackson. While he's flashed some promise he's still a very green rookie. The practice squad for him isn't that outrageous of a thought.

Well atleast he can touch a QB in a game. Preseason or not. I am talking abotu some of these older guys. Its really to late to do anything now. But Our DBs get more sacks than out D-Line. I am glad we got Jason Taylor and have Andre Carter. I like the kid Montgomery. But I am talking about Pass rushers for the future and back-ups. Maybe man crushes was the wrong word. I actually hate that word myself..sounds kinda..but anyways..familiarity or seniority. How many games have you watched were we barely touch the Qb and his jersey is extra clean..?

Green? Rob Jackson is a rookie but he is getting sacks..NFL Stats: by Player Category

I think the people we have are decent..but we need to take it to the next level. We have upgraded. But we should have done more earlier.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Well atleast he can touch a QB in a game. Preseason or not. I am talking abotu some of these older guys. Its really to late to do anything now. But Our DBs get more sacks than out D-Line. I am glad we got Jason Taylor and have Andre Carter. I like the kid Montgomery. But I am talking about Pass rushers for the future and back-ups. Maybe man crushes was the wrong word. I actually hate that word myself..sounds kinda..but anyways..familiarity or seniority. How many games have you watched were we barely touch the Qb and his jersey is extra clean..?

Green? Rob Jackson is a rookie but he is getting sacks..NFL Stats: by Player Category

I think the people we have are decent..but we need to take it to the next level. We have upgraded. But we should have done more earlier.

How fucking hard is it to just name the players you're talking about? This is so unbelievably ridiculous. Is it so damn hard to just name the effin players instead of being so freakin' cryptic? Are you talking about Griffin, Boschetti, Evans (those are the only veterans left that I can think of), are you talking about all of them, one of them, two of them? Put some friggin' meat on the bones of your thread. Goodness if this is the crap you're going to offer, I can see why ES didn't want you around.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Green? Rob Jackson is a rookie but he is getting sacks..NFL Stats: by Player Category

HA ... look at the names on that list. A bunch of scrubs who'll be lucky to make a team. Besides, he only has two sacks.

Let's see if we can make a list of DEs who had two sacks in their career, but never amounted to anything. Oh boy, it'll be a long day.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Well atleast he can touch a QB in a game. Preseason or not. I am talking abotu some of these older guys. Its really to late to do anything now. But Our DBs get more sacks than out D-Line. I am glad we got Jason Taylor and have Andre Carter. I like the kid Montgomery. But I am talking about Pass rushers for the future and back-ups. Maybe man crushes was the wrong word. I actually hate that word myself..sounds kinda..but anyways..familiarity or seniority. How many games have you watched were we barely touch the Qb and his jersey is extra clean..?

Green? Rob Jackson is a rookie but he is getting sacks..NFL Stats: by Player Category

I think the people we have are decent..but we need to take it to the next level. We have upgraded. But we should have done more earlier.

Frankly who cares? It's the preseason.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you might need some perspective on Rob Jackson. While he's flashed some promise he's still a very green rookie. The practice squad for him isn't that outrageous of a thought.

I agree...in fact, I'm not even sure he will make the team.
Yes, he has made a sack or 2 against non NFL players...but besides the highlight reel...not much stands out.
To me...he is the ideal practice squad guy.

I doubt we would lose him to another team...they usually don't go picking squads for 7th round DEs on teams notorious for having a DE problem

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Yeah and I have seen people saying Rob Jackson is going to the PS..lol. Isn't about depth this about production. Our D-Line needs to revamp. If we have some players with potential..We need to give them a chance..

I get what you are saying. We have a bunch of D-lineman that have only gotten ___ sacks and ___ qbs pressures over the past __ years, and we should bring in ___ new guys that can get ___ sacks a year.

There does that explain his point to everyone?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

I get what you are saying. We have a bunch of D-lineman that have only gotten ___ sacks and ___ qbs pressures over the past __ years, and we should bring in ___ new guys that can get ___ sacks a year.

There does that explain his point to everyone?

Its funny how you put it. But it is my point and if the blanks get filled in it really makes my point. lol. Not downing the D-Line. But I am tired of them not tocuhing the QB. I dont evne care if they dont sack him. But atleast touch him...

[firstdown]

Not sure what your talking about as I have never had a crush on another man. We also do not have a don't ask dont tell policy.

[Daseal]

It's obviously a murse, not a man purse.

[PennSkinsFan]

Well, I certainly like this defensive line, much better than the last three. Taylor and Carter on the ends both have the potential and did it last year in racking up double digit sacks. The key in the middle is Grif AND health of Grif. With both Montgomery and Golston doing extremely well, Grif should be able to stay healthy and fresh.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Here's some good stats regarding defensive lines:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

GTripp will be able to explain these stats better than me ... I know he frequents this site.

Anyways, the data shows our defensive line was ranked 17th last year overall. That puts us above NE, SD, GB, JAX, and DEN, as well as others.

Interestingly enough, those stats rank us #1 last year in the 10+ category -- a measure of LB performance.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Here's some good stats regarding defensive lines:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

GTripp will be able to explain these stats better than me ... I know he frequents this site.

Anyways, the data shows our defensive line was ranked 17th last year overall. That puts us above NE, SD, GB, JAX, and DEN, as well as others.

Interestingly enough, those stats rank us #1 last year in the 10+ category -- a measure of LB performance.

ALY is a great tool to see how the defensive line (and linebackers) are doing independent of big plays downfield, and adjusted for the quality of competition they face. You can look at it, and realize the total product of our DL last year was remarkably average against the run, and below average in pressuring the QB.

ALY is very limited in it's ability to dictate where the weaknesses on the DL are.

Other data I've seen suggests that LE was our biggest weakness against the run last year (the Daniels/Evans/M. Washington/Wilson combination), while the pass rush from Daniels was poor both from the LE position, and on the interior when he replaced Monty in pass rushing downs. Griffin was quietly very good last year, but it was pretty much him, Carter, and Monty getting all the production last year, and Monty didn't play enough to offset the lack of production from the rest of the guys. But again, that's not ALY speaking, that's the consensus opinion I've gathered from a bunch of other sources.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

ALY is a great tool to see how the defensive line (and linebackers) are doing independent of big plays downfield, and adjusted for the quality of competition they face. You can look at it, and realize the total product of our DL last year was remarkably average against the run, and below average in pressuring the QB.

ALY is very limited in it's ability to dictate where the weaknesses on the DL are.

Other data I've seen suggests that LE was our biggest weakness against the run last year (the Daniels/Evans/M. Washington/Wilson combination), while the pass rush from Daniels was poor both from the LE position, and on the interior when he replaced Monty in pass rushing downs. Griffin was quietly very good last year, but it was pretty much him, Carter, and Monty getting all the production last year, and Monty didn't play enough to offset the lack of production from the rest of the guys. But again, that's not ALY speaking, that's the consensus opinion I've gathered from a bunch of other sources.

[QUOTE=12thMan;465625]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Griffin is getting ancient. quote]

I'm sure by now you think you're being picked on. I just wanted to point out that Griff is only 31 years old. I say only because that's far from ancient.

Understandable. He looks old though..lol..Seriously though. That is not that young..and I know people gave Jason Taylor grief because he is about to be 34 but he produces.

As far as ALY and the "other data" goes..those are the same points I made. So that backs up my argument thanks. I am not trying to come down on the D-Line. But they got to put some fear in QBs. If not they will pick us apart.

[12thMan]

Why is that people act like preseason is the eigth game of the season?