Despite win Campbell must go !!!!

DCtoAZ · 12-21-2008, 10:02 PM

god man .. i hardly post ... but it's so aggrevating when this site gets bombarded with such crazy talk .. are we not all real football fans here ?? cause i think that most people get it .. they get that JC is young, learning yet another system,has the ability to make all the throws, move with his legs, etc ... this guy can lead .. look at Auburn ? we hit a funk this season .. i think the strides will continue ... patient fans understand .. what if we did get in the playoffs ?? you really think were ready ?? i look forward to Zorno XXX Part 2 ... it's gonna get buck nasty in 09' .. Offense will finally catch up to Defense .. we get over the hump and win 12 games and host a playoff game .. we are heading in the right direction .. hail =

Coff · 12-21-2008, 10:04 PM

I want to believe in Campbell, but simply put, he's not getting the job done. Is it the line? The play call? The o-line? I don't know, and I'll readily admit there is too much I don't to call for his job, but I get frustrated at his conservatism. Too many times throughout a game, he is given plenty of time to throw, a good 2 and a half seconds in the pocket, and he won't pull the trigger, and we go three and out. Would I rather he hold the ball than thrown an INT? Of course. But once in a while, I'd rather he'd risk an INT than accept a three and out, because the former has much greater potential for pay-off.

Today he averaged 4.4 yards per attempt. That's horrific. I don't want to kick him around, I really like the guy, but I can't believe that he can take the Redskins to the next level.

maroonandblack30 · 12-21-2008, 10:13 PM

I am a JC supporter and am willing to be patient to see if he can develop. He really hasn't been given a true opportunity to show how good (or bad) he can be his whole career. That being said, I agree with the previous comments stating that he is probably going to a "average" QB at best in this league. His upside is that he rarely turns the ball over (which I think we take for granted)... but that also is indirectly his downside. He seems like he never wants to make a mistake, and will rarely throw to a receiver unless they are wide open. I think that is why he holds on to the ball way too long on plays that take more time to develope.

I think he has the physical tools to suceed, he just plays "not to lose" instead of playing to win (if that makes sense). Who knows, maybe once he gets comfortable in the offense things will change and he will be more aggressive.

At the same time our rookie recievers HAVE TO step up and become legit #1 and #2 receivers.... I LOVE Moss but he is not a true #1. He is phenomal talent just lacks size.

Overall we just lack explosive playmakers on offense and that make JC continually have to make the "perfect" throws he doesn't seem to be comfortable throwing.

SkinDogg · 12-21-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I don't think he should go just yet, but that halo effect certainly isn't helping. I wish they would at least consider letting Collins or Brennan play in hopes of lighting a fire under Campbelll's butt.

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Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Thank You.

Seriously dudes, you need to end your h*rd on for Colt Brennan. Last I checked, he hasn't suited up for a game in ages; he's a mess in practice; and in the throes of your man-crush you seem to have forgotten that he was an even bigger mess in preseason against THIRD stringers. But yeah, go ahead, and put him in a regular season game. Not saying there aren't issues surrounding Campbell, not saying Collins has seen his last game, but c'mon...

SouperMeister · 12-21-2008, 10:27 PM

Campbell will be just fine in the offense given time. I recall Hasselbeck being so awful his first year with Zorn/Holmgren that he was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer. Campbell has been an average QB, which is decent considering this is his first year running this offense. I look for him to take a big step in this offense if we improve the offensive line during the offseason.

TheSmurfs22 · 12-21-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

How about getting an offensive line that can actually block people? With our current line, it isn't going to matter who we have behind center. Besides, if we're going to pay a QB a $20M signing bonus (which is likely what Cassel will command), I'd prefer to pay a proven winner, not a guy who inherited a Super Bowl team and played well for 1 season Derek Anderson-style.

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BRAVO and you cut to the real issue here. Until we shore up our lines it does not matter who our QB is they are going to get pounded. If we are going to start fixing this team then it has to start with our lines. Enough of this QB, WR crap lets fix the lines otherwise we will be going through this same talk this time next year.

TheSmurfs22 · 12-21-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Campbell will be just fine in the offense given time. I recall Hasselbeck being so awful his first year with Zorn/Holmgren that he was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer. Campbell has been an average QB, which is decent considering this is his first year running this offense. I look for him to take a big step in this offense if we improve the offensive line during the offseason.

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Agreed. Give him another year of Zorn's guidance and he will be fine.
Got to improve our line!!!

NYCSkin · 12-21-2008, 10:32 PM

Campbell just doesn't seem to let it loose. He doesn't seem to trust himself/his playmakers yet. He seems to lack that star QB mojo. But he keeps mistakes to a minimum. So at least he isn't a turnover machine like a lot of QBs.

So right now he's a serviceable, middle of the pack QB. He still has some upside and is young. He obviously has been handcuffed by below average pass protection, another new offensive system, and a lack of quick strike weapons (sans Moss).

I'm for giving him another year in this system. If he improves next year--sign him to an extension. If he doesn't--then all you fans will get what you want in 2010 when we have a WCO journeyman/Brennan as our QB.

MTK · 12-21-2008, 10:39 PM

He's done a lot of good things this year that I think people often overlook. His completion % is up, his QB rating is up, fumbles down, INTs down. Zorn helped turn Hasselbeck into a star QB but it wasn't until year 3 when he really took off.

JC hasn't played himself out of the starting job. Not even close.

over the mountain · 12-21-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If you won't be happy until we get a Drew of Peyton, you will be one unhappy guy for many, many years. Also, do you realize that Brees was average at best for several years?

to support JC for the lack of solid play around him is one thing, to believe he will be an elite qb is a whole other story . . this year was really his "report card" year and the seasons almost done, hes lucky he has a year left on his K to show us something hes failed ot show us so far.

unhappy for many years? nah, ill just keep enjoying watch a great D be held back b/c we havent had even an average passing attack in decades . .

go skins!!!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-21-2008, 10:45 PM

Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis were both highly productive in the first half of the season. They were so productive, in fact, that they were talked about as MVP candidates. In the latter half of the season, Jason has struggled to move the ball through the air and Portis has struggled to move it on the ground. Yet, for some reason, Campbell gets pooped on by the fans, but Portis doesn't. Anyone who loves Portis and dislikes Campbell care to explain?

53Fan · 12-21-2008, 10:53 PM

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514636]Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis were both highly productive in the first half of the season. They were so productive, in fact, that they were talked about as MVP candidates. In the latter half of the season, Jason has struggled to move the ball through the air and Portis has struggled to move it on the ground. Yet, for some reason, Campbell gets pooped on by the fans, but Portis doesn't. Anyone who loves Portis and dislikes Campbell care to explain?[/QUOTE]

Oooohhhh. This should be good.

The Goat · 12-21-2008, 10:59 PM

[quote=53Fan;514637]

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis were both highly productive in the first half of the season. They were so productive, in fact, that they were talked about as MVP candidates. In the latter half of the season, Jason has struggled to move the ball through the air and Portis has struggled to move it on the ground. Yet, for some reason, Campbell gets pooped on by the fans, but Portis doesn't. Anyone who loves Portis and dislikes Campbell care to explain?[/QUOTE]

Oooohhhh. This should be good.

Took the words right out of my mouth bro.

over the mountain · 12-21-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis were both highly productive in the first half of the season. They were so productive, in fact, that they were talked about as MVP candidates. In the latter half of the season, Jason has struggled to move the ball through the air and Portis has struggled to move it on the ground. Yet, for some reason, Campbell gets pooped on by the fans, but Portis doesn't. Anyone who loves Portis and dislikes Campbell care to explain?

ummm didnt you just close a "portis isnt as good as most think" thread? jus sayin . .

go skins!!

RMSkins · 12-21-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis were both highly productive in the first half of the season. They were so productive, in fact, that they were talked about as MVP candidates. In the latter half of the season, Jason has struggled to move the ball through the air and Portis has struggled to move it on the ground. Yet, for some reason, Campbell gets pooped on by the fans, but Portis doesn't. Anyone who loves Portis and dislikes Campbell care to explain?

Sorry SGG,
Portis has proven that he can be a consistently good player in this league, relative to other RB's, I don't think Campbell has proven that yet. Sure, Campbell and Portis have both fallen off in the second half, but I think Portis' injuries are the main reason for his dropoff, for Campbell I just think it's a mixture of bad o-line play, and poor fundamentals.

12-21-2008, 10:02 PM	#31
DCtoAZ Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Age: 44 Posts: 623	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! god man .. i hardly post ... but it's so aggrevating when this site gets bombarded with such crazy talk .. are we not all real football fans here ?? cause i think that most people get it .. they get that JC is young, learning yet another system,has the ability to make all the throws, move with his legs, etc ... this guy can lead .. look at Auburn ? we hit a funk this season .. i think the strides will continue ... patient fans understand .. what if we did get in the playoffs ?? you really think were ready ?? i look forward to Zorno XXX Part 2 ... it's gonna get buck nasty in 09' .. Offense will finally catch up to Defense .. we get over the hump and win 12 games and host a playoff game .. we are heading in the right direction .. hail = __________________ "F*CK THE DALLAS JUMBOTRON" NFC EAST CHAMPS RG3 will be back & #12 can run the show until hes ready.We are young w depth. 23,59,89 will all be back.Alfred Morris aka Diesel Hybrid ! @DCtoAZ81 ...2013 NFC CHAMPS

12-21-2008, 10:04 PM	#32
Coff Impact Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Halfmoon, NY Posts: 687	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! I want to believe in Campbell, but simply put, he's not getting the job done. Is it the line? The play call? The o-line? I don't know, and I'll readily admit there is too much I don't to call for his job, but I get frustrated at his conservatism. Too many times throughout a game, he is given plenty of time to throw, a good 2 and a half seconds in the pocket, and he won't pull the trigger, and we go three and out. Would I rather he hold the ball than thrown an INT? Of course. But once in a while, I'd rather he'd risk an INT than accept a three and out, because the former has much greater potential for pay-off. Today he averaged 4.4 yards per attempt. That's horrific. I don't want to kick him around, I really like the guy, but I can't believe that he can take the Redskins to the next level.

12-21-2008, 10:13 PM	#33
maroonandblack30 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 348	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! I am a JC supporter and am willing to be patient to see if he can develop. He really hasn't been given a true opportunity to show how good (or bad) he can be his whole career. That being said, I agree with the previous comments stating that he is probably going to a "average" QB at best in this league. His upside is that he rarely turns the ball over (which I think we take for granted)... but that also is indirectly his downside. He seems like he never wants to make a mistake, and will rarely throw to a receiver unless they are wide open. I think that is why he holds on to the ball way too long on plays that take more time to develope. I think he has the physical tools to suceed, he just plays "not to lose" instead of playing to win (if that makes sense). Who knows, maybe once he gets comfortable in the offense things will change and he will be more aggressive. At the same time our rookie recievers HAVE TO step up and become legit #1 and #2 receivers.... I LOVE Moss but he is not a true #1. He is phenomal talent just lacks size. Overall we just lack explosive playmakers on offense and that make JC continually have to make the "perfect" throws he doesn't seem to be comfortable throwing.

12-21-2008, 10:27 PM	#35
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! Campbell will be just fine in the offense given time. I recall Hasselbeck being so awful his first year with Zorn/Holmgren that he was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer. Campbell has been an average QB, which is decent considering this is his first year running this offense. I look for him to take a big step in this offense if we improve the offensive line during the offseason.

12-21-2008, 10:32 PM	#38
NYCSkin Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 54 Posts: 513	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! Campbell just doesn't seem to let it loose. He doesn't seem to trust himself/his playmakers yet. He seems to lack that star QB mojo. But he keeps mistakes to a minimum. So at least he isn't a turnover machine like a lot of QBs. So right now he's a serviceable, middle of the pack QB. He still has some upside and is young. He obviously has been handcuffed by below average pass protection, another new offensive system, and a lack of quick strike weapons (sans Moss). I'm for giving him another year in this system. If he improves next year--sign him to an extension. If he doesn't--then all you fans will get what you want in 2010 when we have a WCO journeyman/Brennan as our QB.

12-21-2008, 10:39 PM	#39
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! He's done a lot of good things this year that I think people often overlook. His completion % is up, his QB rating is up, fumbles down, INTs down. Zorn helped turn Hasselbeck into a star QB but it wasn't until year 3 when he really took off. JC hasn't played himself out of the starting job. Not even close. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-21-2008, 10:45 PM	#41
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis were both highly productive in the first half of the season. They were so productive, in fact, that they were talked about as MVP candidates. In the latter half of the season, Jason has struggled to move the ball through the air and Portis has struggled to move it on the ground. Yet, for some reason, Campbell gets pooped on by the fans, but Portis doesn't. Anyone who loves Portis and dislikes Campbell care to explain?

12-21-2008, 10:53 PM	#42
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Despite win Campbell must go !!!! [QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514636]Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis were both highly productive in the first half of the season. They were so productive, in fact, that they were talked about as MVP candidates. In the latter half of the season, Jason has struggled to move the ball through the air and Portis has struggled to move it on the ground. Yet, for some reason, Campbell gets pooped on by the fans, but Portis doesn't. Anyone who loves Portis and dislikes Campbell care to explain?[/QUOTE] Oooohhhh. This should be good. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

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