My Draft Trade Proposal with New England. Feedback Needed!!!

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Word...a very good argument for not trading down IMO and that's my take on this year's draft. In fact, I would almost like to see us find a way to trade up from our 3rd, 5th and 6th round picks into the 2nd round. I know that means even fewer picks overall but facing the honestly bizarre draft board Vinny engenders I'd take a 2nd round pick over three in later rounds. Rinehart was truly a flub that should embarrass - kid was set to be a 5th rd pick or later by every expert/mock that year. When we took him so early - probably 60 to 90 spots before anyone else would have i thought "well maybe they have some inside info on this kid and just wanted to ensure they got him." I mean the reality is they just screwed up royally...there wasn't any there, there, as people say. Horton is the lone standout in Vinny's draft expertise and he still has significant improving to do.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that strategy either. I honestly don't think it would be a bad idea for us to trade up in the first and draft a guy like Orapko, Monroe or even Curry. Why not go for a sure fire guy since whoever we'd draft in the later rounds anyway would most likely be booted off the practice squad in a few years.

I think some of the FO's reaching with their draft picks is because Vinny was around/maybe influential when the niners reached for TO in the third round. He's trying to strike gold again.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that strategy either. I honestly don't think it would be a bad idea for us to trade up in the first and draft a guy like Orapko, Monroe or even Curry. Why not go for a sure fire guy since whoever we'd draft in the later rounds anyway would most likely be booted off the practice squad in a few years.

I think some of the FO's reaching with their draft picks is because Vinny was around/maybe influential when the niners reached for TO in the third round. He's trying to strike gold again.

That's a good point...I always forget about TO's beginnings in SF...dude's been around.

Orakpo, i suspect, may be falling but i'm not sure he's worth the pick. I was just reading an analyst on Yahoosports that has Orakpo as only the 4th best DE in this year's draft. Honestly he seems like like a coming "surprise" where everybody expected him to go early but teams decide to pass on him. My best hope for a falling player is Raji...that would be the shit! We take him and then work like hell to trade Colston (maybe package him w/ a pick) to get a 2nd rounder and draft the best OL available. Sort of fantasizing LOL.

[gully]

"But NE doesn't like to give big money to rookies, and they seem to like to stockpile picks, not give them up."

"I don't see NE making the switch with us they like stockpileing picks.Look at their history of draft day trades."

"They trade down, not up. Good thinking (in terms of trading down and stocking up more picks) but this trade would not happen."

I think what's missing here is that the Pats have 12 picks, and a good team that went 11-5. Stockpiling picks is done precisely to move up to select the players you want. I've guessed in another post that they'd trade the skins for the 13th pick if Maualuga was still available - it's a long shot but I think he'd be perfect for them.

The point is that the Pats don't actually want a draft class of 12 kids, they wouldn't be able to a large fraction of them. They are the type of team, however, to trade picks for next years picks.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by gully

"But NE doesn't like to give big money to rookies, and they seem to like to stockpile picks, not give them up."

"I don't see NE making the switch with us they like stockpileing picks.Look at their history of draft day trades."

"They trade down, not up. Good thinking (in terms of trading down and stocking up more picks) but this trade would not happen."

I think what's missing here is that the Pats have 12 picks, and a good team that went 11-5. Stockpiling picks is done precisely to move up to select the players you want. I've guessed in another post that they'd trade the skins for the 13th pick if Maualuga was still available - it's a long shot but I think he'd be perfect for them.

The point is that the Pats don't actually want a draft class of 12 kids, they wouldn't be able to a large fraction of them. They are the type of team, however, to trade picks for next years picks.

Even if that were the case the more likely trades are either of the following: picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5 or picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150. What I'm saying is New England will want to hold on to pick #34 because they will value that high 2nd highly. Because they have so many picks they will not see a whole lot of value in giving up both picks #23 and #34 in order to get pick #81 back when there are easier ways to get to #13 (assuming they would want to do so) that would not require them giving up #34.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Even if that were the case the more likely trades are either of the following: picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5 or picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150. What I'm saying is New England will want to hold on to pick #34 because they will value that high 2nd highly. Because they have so many picks they will not see a whole lot of value in giving up both picks #23 and #34 in order to get pick #81 back when there are easier ways to get to #13 (assuming they would want to do so) that would not require them giving up #34.

The other angle is if NE really wants to trade up for someone, and we have an inkling of who the player might be...we should probably just draft that guy for ourselves. NE has superb talent evaluators and we would be wise to grab someone they think worthy of trading up for.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The other angle is if NE really wants to trade up for someone, and we have an inkling of who the player might be...we should probably just draft that guy for ourselves. NE has superb talent evaluators and we would be wise to grab someone they think worthy of trading up for.

Good observation Goat. WE can't part with our high #1 picks anymore. So few of our 2-7 round draft picks have really amounted to much over the past decade, that to give them away(#1 picks) for more lower round draft picks is simply moronic. Why trade away a probable starter for a bunch of chaffe!!!!!!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Good observation Goat. WE can't part with our high #1 picks anymore. So few of our 2-7 round draft picks have really amounted to much over the past decade, that to give them away(#1 picks) for more lower round draft picks is simply moronic. Why trade away a probable starter for a bunch of chaffe!!!!!!

Word...I hope last year's scenario was the exception rather than the rule.

[John Denny]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The other angle is if NE really wants to trade up for someone, and we have an inkling of who the player might be...we should probably just draft that guy for ourselves. NE has superb talent evaluators and we would be wise to grab someone they think worthy of trading up for.

Smart.
maybe we should videotape their facial expressions at the pro day workouts.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by John Denny

Smart.
maybe we should videotape their facial expressions at the pro day workouts.

[gully]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Even if that were the case the more likely trades are either of the following: picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5 or picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150. What I'm saying is New England will want to hold on to pick #34 because they will value that high 2nd highly. Because they have so many picks they will not see a whole lot of value in giving up both picks #23 and #34 in order to get pick #81 back when there are easier ways to get to #13 (assuming they would want to do so) that would not require them giving up #34.

I like the idea of trading down with the patriots, I do, but I can't imagine us trading our 5th away.

Meaning, the skins currently have a draft class of 5, and the reason they'd trade down is to get a larger draft class. I wouldn't mind the trade being something like:

NE gets 13
WAS gets 23, 58, 89

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cleveland trying to trade down from the 5th pick, since they

[gully]

Ahem. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cleveland trying to trade down from the 5th pick, since they also currently have 5 picks, and it'll be interesting to see who wants to trade up to that spot.

[SmootSmack]

Last I heard, maybe like a month ago?, was that the Patriots were interested in Tyson Jackson and thinking of trading up to get him. But probably not all the way up to 13

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Last I heard, maybe like a month ago?, was that the Patriots were interested in Tyson Jackson and thinking of trading up to get him. But probably not all the way up to 13

I heard that they are really high on darius butler the corner from UConn..why don't I give you all another scenario for this thread..a draft trade with Miami , maybe a way to get back our second rounder from a year ago

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

I heard that they are really high on darius butler the corner from UConn..why don't I give you all another scenario for this thread..a draft trade with Miami , maybe a way to get back our second rounder from a year ago

Yeah Butler and I think even Jenkins, but I don't know how much now with Springs and Bodden there

[53Fan]

I think NE is doing a good job of throwing teams off of who they really want.