Levi Jones released by the Bengals

[FRPLG]

Well healthy he is automatically an upgrade at RT over last year. health is the issue. If we have Bridges/Jones/Heyer/Williams competing that'd be a hell of a battle in camp. No way we really go into camp with that entire crew. There aren't enough reps to get a good look at any of them.

[vallin21]

Sign him to the vet min, and let Bridges back up Thomas at RG.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Sign him to the vet min, and let Bridges back up Thomas at RG.

I really doubt vet min gets him in camp. But he is a proven starter, and worth getting into camp. As much as I love the idea of Mike Williams on the goal line, he hasn't played a down in several years. This guy was a starter, and he faced the Balt/Pitt Defenses regularly. That means something in terms of facing DWare, or Usi, or the rest of the NFC East.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really doubt vet min gets him in camp. But he is a proven starter, and worth getting into camp. As much as I love the idea of Mike Williams on the goal line, he hasn't played a down in several years. This guy was a starter, and he faced the Balt/Pitt Defenses regularly. That means something in terms of facing DWare, or Usi, or the rest of the NFC East.

We need to get him in at a reasonable price whether it's a vet min or a 1yr deal w/ incentives nothing more. We have leverage on him to sign here, because he's almost 30, injured, and just got cut. He'd be competing against an unproven (Heyer) and oft-injured aging (Jansen), which he can beat out. Here would be my projected starting O-line come Opening Day.

LT Samuels
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG Thomas
RT L. Jones
Bridges would backup Thomas at RG

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really doubt vet min gets him in camp. But he is a proven starter, and worth getting into camp. As much as I love the idea of Mike Williams on the goal line, he hasn't played a down in several years. This guy was a starter, and he faced the Balt/Pitt Defenses regularly. That means something in terms of facing DWare, or Usi, or the rest of the NFC East.

Talk about "Heavy Jumbo". Let M. Williams be the wing! ha ha ha Portis following Caveman following Williams. Now that is smashmouth!

[The Goat]

Well this is funny cuz i just posted today on the Bridges thread saying how surprising it is Levi hadn't been cut...

We need to sign him IMO, period. I know it will cost a pretty penny...probably take a good chunk of our cap space left on the year. Right now our RT prospects are mediocre (Jansen/Heyer) to longshot (Bridges/Williams). It's another recipe for disaster along the o-line position. Maybe most importantly we don't have anyone near talented enough to fill the void at LT if Samuels still struggles w/ injury. If the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense an opportunity to be great this year Levi Jones is the man...everything else is sort of half-assing it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Well this is funny cuz i just posted today on the Bridges thread saying how surprising it is Levi hadn't been cut...

We need to sign him IMO, period. I know it will cost a pretty penny...probably take a good chunk of our cap space left on the year. Right now our RT prospects are mediocre (Jansen/Heyer) to longshot (Bridges/Williams). It's another recipe for disaster along the o-line position. Maybe most importantly we don't have anyone near talented enough to fill the void at LT if Samuels still struggles w/ injury. If the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense an opportunity to be great this year Levi Jones is the man...everything else is sort of half-assing it.

Great point, and one of our biggest worries. If Samuels goes down it is going to be a rough year, and he probably will, so if LJ is able to act as a backup that way, it is worth the extra cash to get him in, assuming he passes his physical LOL

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Well this is funny cuz i just posted today on the Bridges thread saying how surprising it is Levi hadn't been cut...

We need to sign him IMO, period. I know it will cost a pretty penny...probably take a good chunk of our cap space left on the year. Right now our RT prospects are mediocre (Jansen/Heyer) to longshot (Bridges/Williams). It's another recipe for disaster along the o-line position. Maybe most importantly we don't have anyone near talented enough to fill the void at LT if Samuels still struggles w/ injury. If the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense an opportunity to be great this year Levi Jones is the man...everything else is sort of half-assing it.

I completely agree with The Goat. Even if it eats some of our $5 mil or $8 mil. cap space, whichever it is, this is the time to break out the checkbook.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

We have zero financial commitment to Williams, Bridges and Heyer, so the fact that theyre here doesnt automatically preclude that we sign Jones. That said, I agree with cobracai that the FO is probably "happy" with the guys they already have competing. Jones is a major injury concern and would cost more all by himself than would Williams, Bridges, and Heyer combined.

At this point, i'm pretty sure Williams or Heyer will be our starting RT and the other one will be a backup. My main fear is that because we can't afford to cut Jansen, we're going to have to put the other Williams (former MD center) on the practice squad where he'll be snatched up by another team. And if Rabach goes down... Jansen plays center. And i dont think any of us want to see that.

[freddyg12]

I agree w/BigHairArist. & TheGoat, we will have roster issues due to the infeasibility of cutting Jansen & others, and Samuels is at the point of his career where he'll get nicked & slow down.

While it may hurt spec. teams it might be worth it to keep an extra O linemen over an extra LB or WR on the active roster. E. Williams might make it as a guard/center, allowing the team some flexibility there.

[CRedskinsRule]

If vallin's OLine is right, we would have only changed two players, and gotten one new backup in Bridges.

And 3 out of 5 are possible injury candidates.

Is that good enough?

I would say yes, but only by a hair. As is often the case, our season will rise and fall based on injuries.

[CRedskinsRule]

jsarno. Gotcha, that makes it a little clearer, I still think our OLine buffet can use as many bodies as possible, heck if only to limit wear and tear on our starters until the season. In the end what matters is that whatever the lineup, we want to have enough useful contributors to pick up the slack when one goes down, cuz we won't make it through the year without ANY injuries.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

jsarno. Gotcha, that makes it a little clearer, I still think our OLine buffet can use as many bodies as possible, heck if only to limit wear and tear on our starters until the season. In the end what matters is that whatever the lineup, we want to have enough useful contributors to pick up the slack when one goes down, cuz we won't make it through the year without ANY injuries.

Well, I see your point, and I won't object IF it's a vet min deal...but what are the odds we get that from Levi?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I see your point, and I won't object IF it's a vet min deal...but what are the odds we get that from Levi?

well, and i don't know, but if we sign him to a market based contract (no where near the 3M he is due, but over vet min) and he is a camp cut, no harm no foul salary cap wise right? and if he is capable, than he helps us at a higher tag. I would price him under Dock, over vet min.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

well, and i don't know, but if we sign him to a market based contract (no where near the 3M he is due, but over vet min) and he is a camp cut, no harm no foul salary cap wise right? and if he is capable, than he helps us at a higher tag. I would price him under Dock, over vet min.

Well Dockery is getting 3.2, so I would certainly hope he gets less. I am guessing your hope is that we get lucky and he plays most of the games, if not all? If he did, I'd be willing to pay more than vet min. (this is where incentives come in)