Snyder Hires Shanahan Not the GM

[HTTR]

Originally Posted by Angry

Despite the overall 30-34 record, Gibbs did get us in the playoffs twice with one playoff victory. I kind of wonder what would have happend if he would have stayed one more year. It was "his" team that started the season 6-2 under Zorn.

I do not care what you think about the man's second tenure. He is in the hall of fame and he is still the greatest coach that this team has ever seen. Tread lightly.

True, which shows that Gibbs was good enough to overcome much of the ineptitude of Snyder and the FO style (inherited FA's, too many coaches, complicated decision-making structure, Vinny...).

However, the point about being skeptical of Snyder's latest moves until proven otherwise is still valid. We all hope these are sincere changes that mean he's learned something and is stepping back. Don't forget, though, that the other teams in our division also have owners, GMs, draft picks, etc. Our mission is not just to stop being dysfunctional, but to be better than the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants. Does this look positive? YES. But keep your fly zipped for a season or two. S*** happens, and Danny needs to prove himself to me after 10 years of misery.

[CRT3]

Smootsmack, it is good to be back. Just was into my own thing and stayed on the outside a bit. You would appreciate I got banned from ES twice. Probably could have been more but the boneheads over there are just to stupid. Get ready for some CRT3 fire as I am ready and waiting for some football. Hoping that Shanny will at least stay away from the 3-4 and go with an aggressive DC so that we can have some success. Defense wins championships, period......

Also look for the gold pants to return, as this is Bruce Allen who granted his 1st interview to Mike Lomarbdi, will there e be gold pants? Gotta love an Allen returning to DC.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Whoa Jack!!!!!!!!! Hold on there Buckaroo. Folks were having self induced orgasms when Gibbs came back as both HC and team Pres. Things didn't work out to well did they? A certain amount of skepticism is warranted after we have gone through 7 head coaches in 10 seasons. The Shanny hiring has the same pattern of Snyder getting the big name, the "sexy" pick, either coach or player to get the faithful to hang in there a few more seasons to get milked for every buck they are willing to give up. The Danny might have decided to add a new element to his old template and that is the hiring of the GM the Skins faithful have been pleading for for the past 10 years. Can the Shanny/Allen matchup be like Gibbs/Beathred? Sure!!!!! But it could also be a bust in the same right. The big question is, will the Danny keep his hands of personnel decisions form here on out? If yes, we might just have a winner. If not, it is just more of the same smoke and mirrors routine.

All due respect to Gibbs but let's look at the comparison in the hires and it's not even close when viewed in proper perspective. Gibbs had been away from the game for over a decade, not involved at any level but having success in NASCAR. He brought back the grumpy old coaches, most of whom had also been out of the game for a while. To top that off, he had Ceratto-'nuff said. The fact we had ANY success under him is a testament to his ability.

Now contrast this with Shanahan/Allen who have been out of the game, but still intimately involved, for a year. We're bringing in one of the top young offensive coordinators in the game. We're reportedly looking at bringing in an excellent and highly regarded defensive coordinator, which is the only parallel to Gibbs with Williams.

I don't think there's any comparisons in the Gibbs/Shanahallen hires.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

All due respect to Gibbs but let's look at the comparison in the hires and it's not even close when viewed in proper perspective. Gibbs had been away from the game for over a decade, not involved at any level but having success in NASCAR. He brought back the grumpy old coaches, most of whom had also been out of the game for a while. To top that off, he had Ceratto-'nuff said. The fact we had ANY success under him is a testament to his ability.

Now contrast this with Shanahan/Allen who have been out of the game, but still intimately involved, for a year. We're bringing in one of the top young offensive coordinators in the game. We're reportedly looking at bringing in an excellent and highly regarded defensive coordinator, which is the only parallel to Gibbs with Williams.

I don't think there's any comparisons in the Gibbs/Shanahallen hires.

Agreed.

[Giantone]

Gibbs won with different QB's ,Shanahan has won with only one QB....1 very good QB.

Question ,has a Head Coach who has won a Super bowl left and gone to another team and ever won a Super bowl again?

[Longtimefan]

The hiring of Allen and perhaps Shanahan in the coming hours or days is a designed effort to help gain back much of what has been lost over the last couple of years.

Mr Snyder has made an effort to "give the people what they want", he's fired Vinny, hired a competent GM, and a more than qualified coach is in the making. I'm content to see where it goes from here.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by CRT3

I am afraid to say everybody is missing the point. The desire to have a GM who is responsible for everything in the organization is being circumvented already. This is Dan's hire (Shanahan) and this will not be called out till the next season or the one after that is another failure. As fans many of us have expressed our views to have the owner step aside but it is clear that this is business as usual at Redskin Park.

Just curious what other peoples thoughts are on this. While I love that Shanahan is a discipline guided coach who generally has great offensive schemes he has a history of some bad things. Hiring the wrong Defensive Coordinator, only winning Super Bowls with a QB named Elway, and an ego the size of the Rocky Mountains.

I think............Zorn and Vinny are available. Did you you wanna' give em a shout?
Wait ....a minute....Vinnie????

[53Fan]

Hail To The Redskins!

[Player_HTTR]

To think the owner does not play a huge role in the selection of a head coach is just nuts. If I am the owner, and want to stay out of on the field stuff I am still going to be very involved in hiring the GM and HC and making sure the two can work well together. The rest is up to them, still staying involved enough to know what is going on without grabbing the reins.

That being said, I am just glad we haven't started hiring staff before the HC. I don't know if Shanny will take the Skins to the promise land, but it is a step in the right direction.

[dblanch66]

For those who are unhappy with the hiring of Allen and Shanahan, I'm curious to hear what alternative strategy YOU think would be better for the team right now. All ears. Let's hear it.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

For those who are unhappy with the hiring of Allen and Shanahan, I'm curious to hear what alternative strategy YOU think would be better for the team right now. All ears. Let's hear it.

Careful what you ask for bro! Some of the whiners are going to start offering up their philosophies that have been tried and tested in Madden Franchise mode.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

For those who are unhappy with the hiring of Allen and Shanahan, I'm curious to hear what alternative strategy YOU think would be better for the team right now. All ears. Let's hear it.

Bill Cowher, if he was genuine expressing interest.

If not, Shanahan's the next best thing. (Assuming we want a "proven" coach).

Given Snyder's meddlesome ways in the past, i don't think there's anything wrong with expressing concern when we see some of the same things. snyder has not earned the benefit of the doubt. in 2-3 years - maybe, but he hasn't earned it yet. if there's anyone here who's not atleast somewhat suspicious of him, please PM me. I have a great investment opportunity i would love to offer you.

Should snyder have some involvement with hiring shanahan - absolutely. but it should only come in the form of a "second interview" after Allen has conducted "first interviews" with Shanahan and other coaches.

There really isnt a reason to rush things here. Whats wrong with interviewing other candidates? If Bill Cowher is interested, why wouldnt Allen atleast interview him? Think about it. What would we have to lose? The only other job available right now is the bills job - and shanahan's already turned them down. we have all the leverage in the world. why not use it?
Its called Due Diligence. Its something every GM worth his salt would perform before hiring a head coach. Unless, you know, the owner is calling the shots and has already made up his mind.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Bill Cowher, if he was genuine expressing interest.

If not, Shanahan's the next best thing. (Assuming we want a "proven" coach).

Given Snyder's meddlesome ways in the past, i don't think there's anything wrong with expressing concern when we see some of the same things. snyder has not earned the benefit of the doubt. in 2-3 years - maybe, but he hasn't earned it yet. if there's anyone here who's not atleast somewhat suspicious of him, please PM me. I have a great investment opportunity i would love to offer you.

Should snyder have some involvement with hiring shanahan - absolutely. but it should only come in the form of a "second interview" after Allen has conducted "first interviews" with Shanahan and other coaches.

There really isnt a reason to rush things here. Whats wrong with interviewing other candidates? If Bill Cowher is interested, why wouldnt Allen atleast interview him? Think about it. What would we have to lose? The only other job available right now is the bills job - and shanahan's already turned them down. we have all the leverage in the world. why not use it?
Its called Due Diligence. Its something every GM worth his salt would perform before hiring a head coach. Unless, you know, the owner is calling the shots and has already made up his mind.

I honestly don't think I would want him now. Cowher. Especially after he has told many of media people he would not want the Redskins job or it's front office issues. Then the well dries up and all of a sudden the Redskins look like an oasis. Tampa says they are keeping their HC. Carolina says they are keeping their HC. Houston says they are keeping their HC. Browns hire Holmgren who is a WCO type of guys so most likely they will try to turn the page to a WCO style. Then you have the Bills. No one want to work in Buffalo. It sucks, it's cold, and the owner is cheap. Only then does Cowher decide the Skins look like a good situation and comes begging or calling Allen. I think I too would say have a nice day.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I honestly don't think I would want him now. Cowher. Especially after he has told many of media people he would not want the Redskins job or it's front office issues. Then the well dries up and all of a sudden the Redskins look like an oasis. Tampa says they are keeping their HC. Carolina says they are keeping their HC. Houston says they are keeping their HC. Browns hire Holmgren who is a WCO type of guys so most likely they will try to turn the page to a WCO style. Then you have the Bills. No one want to work in Buffalo. It sucks, it's cold, and the owner is cheap. Only then does Cowher decide the Skins look like a good situation and comes begging or calling Allen. I think I too would say have a nice day.

Do you blame him (or anyone) for not wanting to come to the skins with the old FO structure? I don't. The the skins deserved every bad thing that was said about them.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRT3

I am afraid to say everybody is missing the point. The desire to have a GM who is responsible for everything in the organization is being circumvented already. This is Dan's hire (Shanahan) and this will not be called out till the next season or the one after that is another failure. As fans many of us have expressed our views to have the owner step aside but it is clear that this is business as usual at Redskin Park.

Just curious what other peoples thoughts are on this. While I love that Shanahan is a discipline guided coach who generally has great offensive schemes he has a history of some bad things. Hiring the wrong Defensive Coordinator, only winning Super Bowls with a QB named Elway, and an ego the size of the Rocky Mountains.

I think your post is a very good one. I was struck by the same thing: Danny really wanted Shanny, this is Snyder's hire, not Allen's.

But then I realized that it is not an either/or but a both/and. Weeks ago it was made public that Allen and Shanahan were a package deal. So Shanny is Allen's boy, too, not just Danny's. Put differently: Subtract Snyder from the equation and Allen still would hire Shanahan.