The Dark Side of Marvin Harrison

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Just curious, do you think Bruce Smith is a worse person? He has been charged 3 times with DUI and been convicted once.

Bruce Smith pleads guilty to DUI | ProFootballTalk.com

I can't say who's a worse or better person, i can only say how i feel about a given action. In this case, yeah, to me the three dui's are a bigger problem because they are putting innocent people in harm's way. From the sounds of that article, there weren't too many innocent folks around, since everyone involved not named marvin is either dead or in jail (the baby being the exception, and of course that is the only negative to this situation in the end).

If Marvin felt this clown was dangerous and that he wasn't going to stop being a threat, I can definitely understand his actions. Every guy here has had issues with someone that just wasn't going to leave it alone until things got physical. To me, this is just a furthering of that situation.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

If he took out a drug dealer that was actually threatening to cause problems, i don't have a huge problem with it. Not as much as if he was going out and driving drunk, or harming law abiding citizens. It's not right that he took things into his own hands like that, but this just doesn't rank that highly on my outrage meter.

edit- that was a really good read, thanks for posting SS.

So you buy the "famous pieces of sh** killing not so famous pieces of sh** is no big thing" argument and the fact that he indiscriminately sprayed a street with gunfire striking innocent people does not "rank that highly on [your] outrage meter"?

Treat pieces of sh** with sh** justice and they will act accordingly.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So you buy the "famous pieces of sh** killing not so famous pieces of sh** is no big thing" argument and the fact that he indiscriminately sprayed a street with gunfire striking innocent people does not "rank that highly on [your] outrage meter"?

Treat pieces of sh** with sh** justice and they will act accordingly.

I hear you, but in reality, a person is either a positive or a negative in this world. Last time I checked, the subtraction of a negative resulted in a net gain. If you honestly expect the police to get as worked up over a drug dealer getting killed as an innocent person, I think you're dreaming. I don't have any issue at all with the way the police and DA referred to the parties involved. They're just calling them what they are. Drug dealing criminals are pieces of shit. You can't break the law your whole life and then try to hide behind it when your lifestyle catches up to you. We're all where we are because of the choices we've made, and this guy's got him killed. The only part of that story that is "outrageous" is the baby being harmed. Obviously the parents were high quality individuals since they took off not worrying about the infant in the back seat.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I hear you, but in reality, a person is either a positive or a negative in this world. Last time I checked, the subtraction of a negative resulted in a net gain. If you honestly expect the police to get as worked up over a drug dealer getting killed as an innocent person, I think you're dreaming. I don't have any issue at all with the way the police and DA referred to the parties involved. They're just calling them what they are. Drug dealing criminals are pieces of shit. You can't break the law your whole life and then try to hide behind it when your lifestyle catches up to you. We're all where we are because of the choices we've made, and this guy's got him killed. The only part of that story that is "outrageous" is the baby being harmed. Obviously the parents were high quality individuals since they took off not worrying about the infant in the back seat.

You're right - a person is either a positive or negative influence in the world. and you know what, the last time i checked, murder is a pretty bad thing. worse than drug dealing, even. so the murder needs to be caught, tried, and punished according to the law, thereby removing the negative person (a murderer) from society.

you can argue all you want that killing a drug dealer isnt as "bad" as killing an "innocent" person. but murder is still murder. its universally recognized as immoral. every nation - civilizied or otherwise, has laws against it and punishments for those who commit it. right now, a murderer is free, running around in society. instead of supporting this individual, perhaps you should hope they are brought to justice. who knows, maybe next time this person decides to kill a drug dealer, a person you deem "innocent" will be hurt or killed in the process.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You're right - a person is either a positive or negative influence in the world. and you know what, the last time i checked, murder is a pretty bad thing. worse than drug dealing, even. so the murder needs to be caught, tried, and punished according to the law, thereby removing the negative person (a murderer) from society.

you can argue all you want that killing a drug dealer isnt as "bad" as killing an "innocent" person. but murder is still murder. its universally recognized as immoral. every nation - civilizied or otherwise, has laws against it and punishments for those who commit it. right now, a murderer is free, running around in society. instead of supporting this individual, perhaps you should hope they are brought to justice. who knows, maybe next time this person decides to kill a drug dealer, a person you deem "innocent" will be hurt or killed in the process.

To me, it's more in line with self defense than murder, because the way I read it, this clown is trying to take a gun into the club, then when he's told he's not welcome threatens to bust the place and Marvin up. This is an armed person threatening him. Call it a preemptive strike. If he was just walking around shooting people, yeah, i hear you. But this guy was a threat. I'm not trying to be the Marvin Harrison apologist here, but I truly believe that if some of us were placed in the same situation, some of us here wouldn't have acted all that differently. If I were on a jury, his ass would walk in this case. But everyone's entitled to their own opinion...

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You're right - a person is either a positive or negative influence in the world. and you know what, the last time i checked, murder is a pretty bad thing. worse than drug dealing, even. so the murder needs to be caught, tried, and punished according to the law, thereby removing the negative person (a murderer) from society.

you can argue all you want that killing a drug dealer isnt as "bad" as killing an "innocent" person. but murder is still murder. its universally recognized as immoral. every nation - civilizied or otherwise, has laws against it and punishments for those who commit it. right now, a murderer is free, running around in society. instead of supporting this individual, perhaps you should hope they are brought to justice. who knows, maybe next time this person decides to kill a drug dealer, a person you deem "innocent" will be hurt or killed in the process.

Sorry, murder is not murder. It's not black and white, although it would be nice if it were. Cops and soldiers kill people all the time and it's not murder.

[firstdown]

Did I miss something because I never saw where they matched the gun to the bullets.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Did I miss something because I never saw where they matched the gun to the bullets.

"Harrison still had a number of plausible alibis, even if the gun hammer were to exactly match the markings left on the recovered casings (and ballistics tests would eventually prove that five of six casings did match)."

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Did I miss something because I never saw where they matched the gun to the bullets.

Now that the FBI have been asked to get involved in this particular case, they won't rest until they get to the bottom of it.

I haven't been able to understand how with eye-witness testimony, ballistics test showing the shots fired came from a gun registered to Harrison, why some form of charges never were presented to a jury by the Philadelphia District Attorney's office. The Feds. are much more effecient in their investigative procedures and I look for a resolution where all the facts will be eventually revealed.

[skinsfaninok]

Just watched the E-60 piece on Harrison.. It is ashame that he has gottn away with Murder! They say the quiet one's are the worst

[skinsfan69]

Harrison should be in jail doing hard time. He's nothing but a hood rat.

[budw38]

Maybe , just maybe .... Al Davis hires Vinny and signs Harrison to a contract .... sarcasim

[JoeRedskin]

Also, while a somewhat apples to oranges comparison, if Plax can get 3(?) years for accidentally shooting himself - shouldn't ol' Marvin get a couple of years for intentionally firing off a pistol in a crowded street? Jus' axin'

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Also, while a somewhat apples to oranges comparison, if Plax can get 3(?) years for accidentally shooting himself - shouldn't ol' Marvin get a couple of years for intentionally firing off a pistol in a crowded street? Jus' axin'

My whole point is based upon the supposition that MH felt his life was in danger at the time when he fired upon Pop with a licensed handgun. Who committed the actual attack that killed him, who knows. Remember, they did find shell casings in the cab of the pickup, those weren't tossed in by MH. So there is at least the potential for a self defense case in that shooting. It's not as cut & dry as Marvin's a thug.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

My whole point is based upon the supposition that MH felt his life was in danger at the time when he fired upon Pop with a licensed handgun. Who committed the actual attack that killed him, who knows. Remember, they did find shell casings in the cab of the pickup, those weren't tossed in by MH. So there is at least the potential for a self defense case in that shooting. It's not as cut & dry as Marvin's a thug.

IF MH felt he was in danger and thats why he fired the gun, then why lie to the police about it? why not admit to firing the gun in self defense?