Rocky trade is a possibility

[diehard]

You guys are doing what this team has done for years... undervaluing your own players. That's a big mistake, for McIntosh and Campbell are solid value for their play on and off the field.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by diehard

You guys are doing what this team has done for years... undervaluing your own players. That's a big mistake, for McIntosh and Campbell are solid value for their play on and off the field.

Well, I would argue that 1) you are correct, and that 2) this is Mike Shanahan's shortcoming.

This is also why I predict Rocky McIntosh will not be traded: we can't a nice return for him, so why not just let him play out the season here as (if nothing else) a nickel defender who can replace Fletch on third downs.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by diehard

You guys are doing what this team has done for years... undervaluing your own players. That's a big mistake, for McIntosh and Campbell are solid value for their play on and off the field.

This is opposed to what other team fans do with asking for second and third round picks for guys who we've never heard of. I mean if you think our bad you should see all the wonderful "forum offers" for Cooley that are out there from fans of other teams. It's like random player A, random player B, and a 4th round pick. Maybe we'll get lucky but I'm proud that our fan base is straying away from thinking like they're playing Madden. God knows they do it in so many other areas.

[redskinjim]

keep him we cant afford any more needs at this point.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by redskinjim

keep him we cant afford any more needs at this point.

Simple trade for a lower round pick. WE can get a LB that is learned in the 3-4 scheme.

[GusFrerotte]

Come on now Rocky is not even an average NFL LB. I would trade him ,but what are we going to get for him, a 5th rounder? I can see getting a 4th rounder at best for Rocky. He isn't all that bad, but it is a stretch to even call him average still.

[wilsowilso]

Rocky is mediocre and the second he signs an extended contract he will blow his knee out for the third time. Get that guy outta here. I would be happy with a sixth rounder.

The linebacker position in the NFL is quite simply the easiest hole to fill on any NFL roster.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The linebacker position in the NFL is quite simply the easiest hole to fill on any NFL roster.

If it's really easy to fill -- I wish they would have gotten some good linebackers then. Fletcher has been it for us. We've been short good linebackers for a while, and have used defensive ends to fill it. I guess it's different now with the 3-4 since orakpo, etc. can stay there & sometimes rush the QB.

[Gmanc711]

To be honest, I don't really get the point of trading anyone but Campbell. The rest of them are starters on the team, and we're not gonna get value for them. I just dont see the point in trading Landry or McIntosh for a 4th or 5th round pick that maybe will make the roster.

[internetcareer]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

To be honest, I don't really get the point of trading anyone but Campbell. The rest of them are starters on the team, and we're not gonna get value for them. I just dont see the point in trading Landry or McIntosh for a 4th or 5th round pick that maybe will make the roster.

Bingo. Hit the nail on the head. Where are all these jr. trade gurus coming from.
They want to trade half the roster to get draft picks. What are draft picks? They are college students. Get real boys.
Rocky M is NOT an all pro but he is a good linebacker. Not great. Good. Not gonna get that with a 4th or 5th round pick. Just a special teams player.

Albert is the best defensive tackle in the universe and if he comes into camp motivated to show everybody that they are wrong, then look out.

Landy is a solid strong safety. Its not his fault that an idiot played him out of position all last year. Heck, if you played Santana Moss at linebacker, I guess after 1 game you would want to cut him. Not there fault we had idiots for coaches last year. Orakpo covering receivers...Landry covering instead of tackling...and Fred Davis sitting on the bench for the first half of the year instead of using 2 tight end formations. Not there fault we had idiot coaches.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by internetcareer

Bingo. Hit the nail on the head. Where are all these jr. trade gurus coming from.
They want to trade half the roster to get draft picks. What are draft picks? They are college students. Get real boys.
Rocky M is NOT an all pro but he is a good linebacker. Not great. Good. Not gonna get that with a 4th or 5th round pick. Just a special teams player.

Albert is the best defensive tackle in the universe and if he comes into camp motivated to show everybody that they are wrong, then look out.

Landy is a solid strong safety. Its not his fault that an idiot played him out of position all last year. Heck, if you played Santana Moss at linebacker, I guess after 1 game you would want to cut him. Not there fault we had idiots for coaches last year. Orakpo covering receivers...Landry covering instead of tackling...and Fred Davis sitting on the bench for the first half of the year instead of using 2 tight end formations. Not there fault we had idiot coaches.

Landry has the speed to cover- he's one of the fastest safties in football. He just sucks in coverage. And when he has a chance to tackle he goes for the blow up hit and often wiffs, rather than just making a sure wrap up. He drives me nuts. Probably my least favorite player on the team. But he has so much raw talent, he could be very good. Just needs some discipline and coaching.

That said, I'd probably rather just trade Campbell and hang on to the rest of the guys (regardless of how much I dislike LL, AH, and Rogers). Trading any of those three would be a big net loss on our part based on what it took to get them here. We need to stockpile some players- particularly LBs and offensive lineman, but I'd rather go about getting extra multiple draft picks by leveraging that 4th overall pick.

Just to throw it out there- I feel like nobody has said a peep about Cooley being traded for a while. I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded on draft day (possibly Friday if we can get a 2nd rounder for him).

[internetcareer]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Landry has the speed to cover- he's one of the fastest safties in football. He just sucks in coverage. And when he has a chance to tackle he goes for the blow up hit and often wiffs, rather than just making a sure wrap up. He drives me nuts. Probably my least favorite player on the team. But he has so much raw talent, he could be very good. Just needs some discipline and coaching.

That said, I'd probably rather just trade Campbell and hang on to the rest of the guys (regardless of how much I dislike LL, AH, and Rogers). Trading any of those three would be a big net loss on our part based on what it took to get them here. We need to stockpile some players- particularly LBs and offensive lineman, but I'd rather go about getting extra multiple draft picks by leveraging that 4th overall pick.

Just to throw it out there- I feel like nobody has said a peep about Cooley being traded for a while. I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded on draft day (possibly Friday if we can get a 2nd rounder for him).

Of course Landry has the speed to cover...however how many fast as lightening receivers have we seen come and go because they can't catch. Speed is great but it is only one small part otherwise track stars would be making the NFL by the dozens. If Landry would rather hit than cover, then why didn't our idiot coaches simply allow him to hit people coming out of the backfield instead of being 30 yards downfield. I guess I just answered my own question: because they were idiots and thats why Blache is retired and Zorn is working at Taco Bell or whatever.

[SFREDSKIN]

Rocky had a great year last year, this is the 2nd year after his knee operation meaning he'll even have a better year this year. A 5th rounder is an insult, sign his ass to a 3 year contract and call it good.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by internetcareer

Of course Landry has the speed to cover...however how many fast as lightening receivers have we seen come and go because they can't catch. Speed is great but it is only one small part otherwise track stars would be making the NFL by the dozens. If Landry would rather hit than cover, then why didn't our idiot coaches simply allow him to hit people coming out of the backfield instead of being 30 yards downfield. I guess I just answered my own question: because they were idiots and thats why Blache is retired and Zorn is working at Taco Bell or whatever.

Landry would rather hit than cover. However he can't cover, and when he gets the opportunity to hit, he torpedoes himself at the ball carrier rather than trying to tackle. Therefore- can't cover (hopefully he can be taught to cover by the new staff), and won't tackle. Big problem, no matter what position you're playing in the secondary.

When I mentioned Landry being fast, I was just pointing out that despite all that speed, he can't cover his eyes. His favorite Sunday brunch is pump fakes.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

To be honest, I don't really get the point of trading anyone but Campbell. The rest of them are starters on the team, and we're not gonna get value for them. I just dont see the point in trading Landry or McIntosh for a 4th or 5th round pick that maybe will make the roster.

This. The only counterargument I could see is if one of those guys is a cancer on the roster. Personally I think Landry could be/become that guy. As far as the rest are concerned trading starters away for nothing (realistically) just means the defense especially gets that much worse.

...I tend to think the approach we're seeing/hearing about right now from Shanny/Haslett/Allen is hubris to the most extreme. I highly, highly doubt it goes the way they expect it will.