Bugel asks Ramsey to show something

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

This is a live chat on the Washington Post.com........

Richmond, Va.: There are some comments out there from Bugel that Ramsey may be dogging it in practice or "not showing" anything. Have you heard anything like that? And if so, I thought the back-up only ran the scout team offense and had minimal to no snaps with the 1st team offense. How are you expected to thrive in that situation? Thanks.

Jason LaCanfora: I heard rumblings this week that Joe Bugel may have said something like that in a TV interview, but Ramsey real has no chance to show much given how few snaps he takes. He has been nothing but a modal citizen from what we can garner and Gibbs has raved about him. I also asked Gibbs this exact questiuon last Friday, wondering if there are things Patrick can still do in this limited role to show he has a better grasp of the offense than before, and Gibbs said he is in fact doing exactyl that, practicing hard, never complains, asks good questions of the coaches and Brunell, etc.
Now, I also know that Coach Bugel can be a lot more direct and brutally honest than Coach Gibbs tends to be, so there may be something to it, but if they thought Ramsey could give them a better chance to win no matter how bad he looked with the scout team, there is no doubt in my mind he would play. I think this issue is much larger than that and coems down to Brunell being a veteran and played very careful football taking no chances with turnovers. Even if he complets under 10 passes a game, Gibbs knows the D can keep it close and Portis can grind teams down. The fear is Ramsey makes a great play and then throws two big picks; they want consistnecy, even if it is consistently unproductive but does not result in turnovers, it seems.

That may be true but I don't think it's smart, 1st everyone keep's harping on turnover's as if Brunell doesn't turn the ball over, when in fact he has given up 28 point's off of turnover's which directly cost us at least 2 games, which is much worse than anything Ramsey has done, the fact is anyone of us could go out there and not turn the ball over, we won't move the ball either, and that's Brunell in a nut shell, we paid 43 mil. for a QB not to turn the ball over his play does not factor in the equation, it's the bird afraid of walking that never learn's to fly, IMO Brunell is hanging on to his job through lack of effort, in other word's by not moving the ball he minimizes the chances for a turnover so why take a chance? I am sorry but there is a reason the QB is the highest paid position in the NFL he is paid to win, not to not lose, the fact that Brunell is reduced to a QB that is expected just to not lose a game is an indictment in itself on his talent and the confidence of the coach in him as a winner, and defiently not the kind of player you give 43 mil. to.

I say let the bird who's not afraid to walk learn to fly! And that's Ramsey!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

He was in a college system scoring more points than this "proven NFL system." If he can score that many in a college system he should be able to excel in the pro system, right?

Not necessarily. If that were the case guys like David Klingler and Andre Ware would be Hall of Fame NFL QBs

[Daseal]

A college system in the NFL and he still scored points is what I'm getting at. Everyone want's to belittle Spurriers system, and I admit it had flaws, but at least we got into the endzone.

[Tahoe Skin]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

The thing I dont understand, is if you want Ramsey to show you somthing, then why are there these reports that hes getting little to ZERO snaps in practice. I mean I'm not there, so I dont know for sure. However, if hes not getting the snaps, how do you expect him to show you somthing against the #1 defense in the league, with the scout team??

Really. And don't you think most players would get disillusioned if they're not even given a semblence of a chance, particularly when you keep seeing the QB in front of you stink up the place.

[Tahoe Skin]

Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

It almost seem that Ramsey is content with being a back up QB.

Hardly the case I think. Ramsey's contract is heavily incentive-laden based on snaps and performance.

[Tahoe Skin]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I can't remember who said it. It was said as the broadcast was ending I believe. I don't necessarily think that he's scared in the traditional sense, but rather nervous.

It was Bradshaw, so you know you have to take it with a grain of salt.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

A college system in the NFL and he still scored points is what I'm getting at. Everyone want's to belittle Spurriers system, and I admit it had flaws, but at least we got into the endzone.

Daseal, I'll give you that...Spurrier's system did score more points than we are currently scoring. But, even though he has this fun-n-gun offense, he was lacking in just about every other area of being the head coach of an NFL team. He seemed more suited as an offensive coordinator than a head coach. He just didn't seem to know how to work with NFL level players. What Gibbs is doing right now is building a team. It takes a while. Yeah, we all want to win now because it has been so long but, if we want our winning ways to last we have to build the team from the ground up.

I, for one, would like to see Ramsey get a start. I really think he can get us three touchdowns a game.

People forget that in the Giants game this year, he did throw 2 touchdown passes but one was dropped by Mr. 50/50. Let's just say that he didn't drop it. I wonder were we would be now.

[Redskins8588]

What I think is funny is that it sounds as if even Bugel knows that the offense is going no where with Brunell in the driver seat. I mean if look at it from Bugel's point of veiw, every week he gets our O-line ready for sunday only to have brunell stink up the place.

[SUNRA]

I hope we all can agree that Coach Gibbs returned to this team to restore it to greatness. If we truly believe this, then we can trust him and his staff to make sure we have the best chance to turn this thing around. No more bandaid, quick fix approaches. A complex yet productive system and a dedication by rank and file or no-name players who make big plays. Right now, we can point to the defense and look at the difference from last year. There is continuity and dedication to shut every opponents offense down. However, the offense has lost a giant of a player in Jon Jansen and has struggled consistently with pass blocking, penalties and not a lot of depth on the O line to replace Jansen in the same way that Lavar's absence had created. Hopefully, Brunell can finish out the second half of the year with greater passing yards and end this season with a winning record. And Ramsey will hopefully be ready for next year with the system firmly implanted in his psyche and ready to go.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

I hope we all can agree that Coach Gibbs returned to this team to restore it to greatness. If we truly believe this, then we can trust him and his staff to make sure we have the best chance to turn this thing around. No more bandaid, quick fix approaches. A complex yet productive system and a dedication by rank and file or no-name players who make big plays. Right now, we can point to the defense and look at the difference from last year. There is continuity and dedication to shut every opponents offense down. However, the offense has lost a giant of a player in Jon Jansen and has struggled consistently with pass blocking, penalties and not a lot of depth on the O line to replace Jansen in the same way that Lavar's absence had created. Hopefully, Brunell can finish out the second half of the year with greater passing yards and end this season with a winning record. And Ramsey will hopefully be ready for next year with the system firmly implanted in his psyche and ready to go.

well put

[wbecker999]

Ramsey will tear it up! Now that our offensive line has good protection schemes,and the running game is on track

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by wbecker999

Ramsey will tear it up! Now that our offensive line has good protection schemes,and the running game is on track

Ramsey still has to prove he is over his bad habits.
Like....reading defenses poorly and forcing the ball into coverage...which in turn causes interceptions (see Giants game).
Holding on to the ball too long...which causes him to get sacked too much....which in turn causes fumbles.
He also needs to sense the pass rush around him. He is not good at side stepping a pass rusher. When he gets happy feet he ends up accidently running right into a sack, instead running away from one.

Also, what Joe Crisp said about not enough snaps/reps for Ramsey in practice to prove/show he is ready. There have been many Joe Gibbs backup QB's in his last tenure, who shined in practice running the scout team (by the way the scout team plays against our #1 ranked defense in practice), Stan Humphries, Mark Rypien, Jay Schroeder and Doug Williams to name a few. Gibbs brought in Doug Williams in the middle of the season when he got sick of Jay Schroeder making bad reads. Gibb's coaching staff have shown and proven they are more than willing to bring in a back up if they feel he is ready. They obvously feel Ramsey is not yet ready.

[Shane]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Ramsey also has the whole 'religion thing' in common with Gibbs, but that has nothing to do with it anyways.

There is not a chance in hell that Gibbs chooses players due to their religion. Gibbs never even asks players what religious views or backgrounds they have, never checks to see who goes to religious gatherings of the players and makes a specific point not to know these things. Gibbs always makes decisions based on who the best player is on the team to play, and obviously Brunell gives us the best chance to win.

The Doc Walker interview made it sound like Ramsey was making a lot of progress in learning the system, and that sounded encouraging. But there is a lot more to quarterbacking than learning the system. I think he really doesn't show them he has the necessary spark for them to hang their fortunes on.

They aren't coming out of retirement to put their fate in the hands of a young man who has not had much experience as a quarterback before coming to the NFL and who apparently still isn't showing spark and who makes too many mistakes when he does get in there.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Ramsey still has to prove he is over his bad habits.
[B]Like....reading defenses poorly and forcing the ball into coverage...which in turn causes interceptions (see Giants game).
Holding on to the ball too long...which causes him to get sacked too much....which in turn causes fumbles.
He also needs to sense the pass rush around him. He is not good at side stepping a pass rusher. When he gets happy feet he ends up accidently running right into a sack, instead running away from one.

I have to disagree that with some of what you said. One of Ramsey's interceptions that game (Giants) was thrown toward Coles who didn't seem to cut inside...It looked as if Coles broke off the route. Ramsey placed the ball where it was supposed to be. That's not his fault. I will give you the one interception, I think it was the last one of the game. There didn't seem to be a receiver around...That was a poor play. But, the game was almost over and he was trying to force a pass deep. If Gardner hadn't dropped an earlier touchdown I don't think that pass would have ever been thrown.

You also have to remember that he had a very porous offensive line last year. A lot of the sacks from last year he couldn't avoid...After all he isn't Michael Vick.

Can you please give me some examples of when Ramsey gets his "happy feet" and runs into a sack rather than away from it? I seem to be forgetting any of those plays but by the way you said it, it sounded like it happened ofter.
I find it hard to believe that he has a tendency to run into a sack.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by NY_Skinsfan

I have to disagree that with some of what you said. One of Ramsey's interceptions that game (Giants) was thrown toward Coles who didn't seem to cut inside...It looked as if Coles broke off the route. Ramsey placed the ball where it was supposed to be. That's not his fault. I will give you the one interception, I think it was the last one of the game. There didn't seem to be a receiver around...That was a poor play. But, the game was almost over and he was trying to force a pass deep. If Gardner hadn't dropped an earlier touchdown I don't think that pass would have ever been thrown.

You also have to remember that he had a very porous offensive line last year. A lot of the sacks from last year he couldn't avoid...After all he isn't Michael Vick.

Can you please give me some examples of when Ramsey gets his "happy feet" and runs into a sack rather than away from it? I seem to be forgetting any of those plays but by the way you said it, it sounded like it happened ofter.
I find it hard to believe that he has a tendency to run into a sack.

Ramsey was responsible for all three INT's against Giants. The first one was an out route to Coles in the corner of the endzone. Ramsey underthrew the ball into Brent Alexander's hands. Last year he missed (overthrown) the same passing route to Coles which would have tied the game against Philly. The second INT, I was at the 50 yard line and could clearly see that Ramsey didn't wait for Coles to separate, he just threw the ball without taking into consideration that Coles was well covered. The Last TD was the worst. Ramsey scrambled to his right and underthrew to Gardner with double coverage at least 10 yds behind Gardner. He wasn't even close. Now if you think that wasn't a reflection of the way Ramsey played during the preseason with the inconsistent play, overthrown balls and a lack of moblility on a second string team, then I don't know what we expect from Gibbs. Gibbs is not going to accept turnovers so Brunell is his best option right now.