Did Redskins Bend Rules in Morris Trade?

[NM Redskin]

Also, this makes the Redskins look like dicks. Bad PR move. Maybe they should fine the scouting department 272k for blowing a pick.

[tootergray34]

i'm sure ole snyder is shaking in his boots about losing 300K

[FRPLG]

Well according to the CBA from SS's link it isn't Morris and Dabvis who should be peeved...it is the other rookies on their team who wont be getting their prorated portion of the unpaid salary.

[CultBrennan59]

Albert Haynesworth's $48 million guaranteed is nothing to Snyder. But saving that $300,000 is a BIG deal to him.

[mbedner3420]

If that is the real purpose, this would be one of the funnest things this team has ever done - cruel but funny.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The respectable thing to do would have been simply to tell Morris he's not good enough right now and cut him outright. In the real world, if ESPN suddenly decides one day to let me go they're not going to say "bad news is we don't need you anymore, good news we're sending you to LA to work for Fox Sports" so now I'm packing my stuff, moving myself and my wife out to LA upset about losing one job but eager to start another with a company I think wants me...only to find out they don't want me either and I'm just being used by both as basically a write-off of on their balance sheet.

Further, the fact that he was even drafted means he didn't have a choice of what team to join in the first place. Not that it's a bad thing to be drafted, just saying

well, now that he's a free agent, he has the chance of going to whatever team he wants - if there are any that are interested. If not, he won't be getting paid $300,000 for doing nothing, which is what would have happened if he had been cut outright.

as far the skins looking bad in this, they probably do to a lot of people. but theres no way the skins did this move just to save 300k. they did it to alert the NFLPA to the loophole that can be used to the leagues advantage in the next CBA. Sure it sucks for the palyers that they had to be used in such a way, but if it ensure that the greedy players union doesnt get as much in the next CBA, i'm all for it.

[GTripp0012]

Well, I don't agree with Shanahan/Allen/Spagnuolo/Devaney here, really not in any way, but I see the incentive. A lot of Dan Snyder's investment in the team is being wasted over the last two years by multi-year contracts to players besides (but also including) Albert Haynesworth. I mean, Larry Johnson was guaranteed multi-million dollars to sign here for three years, and if the team is going to keep Ryan Torain, Johnson won't make this roster. He still gets that money.

Phillip Buchanon, Chris Draft, Willie Parker, and perhaps Phillip Daniels are in the same boat. These signings (I believe excluding Draft) all came with some amount of a guaranteed money figure to players who may or may not be among the best guys for this team. DeAngelo Hall and Albert Haynesworth had their contracts restructured so that, at the end of this season, we have the option to eat some buyout money and throw either or both to the curb. Point is, the Redskins are spending a lot of money to get a look see at a bunch of vets, not all of which is going to result in long-term (or short-term) help to the team. And so if the team thinks it can exploit a rookie for a percentage of his salary in 2010 to show the owner that they don't think his money is just monopoly dollars, then yeah, this makes sense.

It's still dumb though. You can just be less wasteful in the first place.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agree with BHA, welcome to the real world kids, where life isn't fair and it often sucks. Get used to it.

Well, life isn't fair, which is why he can be cut to make room for someone else based on some OTA's and a couple of preseason games. It's not about fair shakes, it's about first impressions. But the rules also dictate what happens with his salary in the event of that, and those rules are the thing that IS fair about sports.

[CRedskinsRule]

Here is an excellent breakdown of the nature of the problem:

Details on the NFLPA’s monitoring of Redskins trades - Redskins Journal

Actually, the Redskins issue only arises IF Morris doesn't make the Rams roster, and even then it won't show up until the end of the season. The Rams, however, certainly will be checked at the end of the season since we cut Hall Davis. I have a hard time believing this was done solely to keep $300K out of the rookie pot, I simply think BA was trying to get a pick for a guy we knew we were cutting. Simple as that, and every other intention is simply a spin put on their straightforward move by groups with agendas.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, life isn't fair, which is why he can be cut to make room for someone else based on some OTA's and a couple of preseason games. It's not about fair shakes, it's about first impressions. But the rules also dictate what happens with his salary in the event of that, and those rules are the thing that IS fair about sports.

I hope everybody realizes by now that the player who was cut wasn't going to get any of this money anyways. So it's not an in your face move against either player.

Why can't 2 GM's who have been talking alot already, via the Carriker deal, and others that didn't happen, say hey I might be interested in so-and-so, and they work out a deal. Isn't that what good GM's are supposed to do?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

well, now that he's a free agent, he has the chance of going to whatever team he wants - if there are any that are interested. If not, he won't be getting paid $300,000 for doing nothing, which is what would have happened if he had been cut outright.

as far the skins looking bad in this, they probably do to a lot of people. but theres no way the skins did this move just to save 300k. they did it to alert the NFLPA to the loophole that can be used to the leagues advantage in the next CBA. Sure it sucks for the palyers that they had to be used in such a way, but if it ensure that the greedy players union doesnt get as much in the next CBA, i'm all for it.

Yeah, I don't think there was any sort of motive like that. I don't think they were trying to send a message or warning. I think they both saw the opportunity to make a trade that was beneficial to both parties and so they made the trade

[SouperMeister]

Hey, at least Allen didn't try trading the same pick twice like his old man did in the 70's!!!

[sportscurmudgeon]

Did the Skins bend the rules? Yes.

Did the Skins break the rules? Maybe - - still to be determined.

Is this a big deal? Probably not now - - but it could become a big deal in the new CBA negotiations.

[Dirtbag59]

This was a pretty stupid move. If you're going to do something like that then at least wait a week. Hall should get a settlement of some kind.