Our Current status at the WR position

[Alvin Walton]

I've seen a couple mock drafts that show us taking a reciever at #1.
It wouldnt surprise me.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I've seen a couple mock drafts that show us taking a reciever at #1.
It wouldnt surprise me.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....


Lots of needs, WR's in the draft are often wasted picks. Much more important to get a QB, NT, or any one of 10 pressing needs.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by SBprimetime

I know a lot of people have been hating on our receivers this year, but let me drop some knowledge on you guys about our passing game:

Santana Moss was 4th in the NFL in catches. He had more catches, and about the same/more yards than: Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Marshall, and somebody who's very comparable to Moss, Wes Welker. If we can get Santana back at a reasonable price, we almost have to pull the trigger. He's great out of the slot.

Anthony Armstrong was 26th in the NFL in yards, and he had a 19.8 yards per catch, which is incredible. By my quick glance at the stats, that's more than all but two #2 WR's in the NFL (Jabar Gaffney-4 more yards, and Mario Manningham- which if not for us, probably wouldn't have had more yards).

As a team, we were also tied for 3rd in the NFL for most 40+ yd completions. Cooley also had another pretty good year.

There's no doubt we need to upgrade some of our depth, and infuse some youth/potential into our WR corps, but by no means is it as horrible as everyone has been saying. With another year in the offense, a draft pick or signing, and hopefully better play from the quarterback position, we should be pretty OK at that position.

P.S. It was mind-blowing that we ever had Joey Galloway and/or Roydell Williams even on our roster. That's probably where the general feeling of suckiness from our WR's comes from. We definitely need to upgrade our depth.

I agree that we have a great supporting cast for our receiving corp, but we still need a true #1 WR and more stable QB/O-LINE play...

[diehard]

The team just needs to a better job scouting for late round gems and UDRFAs. I'm optimistic that'll happen with Shanahan in the mix.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by diehard

The team just needs to a better job scouting for late round gems and UDRFAs. I'm optimistic that'll happen with Shanahan in the mix.

They did a pretty good job of finding our 3rd down back in keiland williams and our first explosive return guy in years in Brandon banks. That's more than the last couple regimes had to show from UDFAs from a single draft class.

[Bucket]

Yeah, I think WR is actually the one postition were we can let stay as is in the offseason.. Maybe add somebody like Breaston, but that's about it. Just gotta re-sign Moss.

We really need help on the Oline, Dline, and Linbacker positions if you ask me. Anything else would be 2nd.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Santana Moss had a lot of catches this year but his big gains were limited. The reason is that he was the only receiver that the Skins had who could reliably run the immediate short routes, catch the ball and then have the potential to do somethingwith it after the catch. However, that is not Moss's game.

If the Skins have S. Moss doing the same thing next year with similar production from everyone else on the roster, count on another year of no playoffs and a sub-.500 record.

Having said that, re-signing Santana Moss is imperative for a reason that has ZERO to do with stats.

Santana Moss is one of the VERY few WRs in the NFL who is simultaneously:

1. Competent
2. Productive
3. Not a diva

The Skins need to keep him here for the next couple of years to be the mentor/role model for whomever they bring in to be the WRs of the future for this team. Santana Moss has to show them what it means to be an NFL player.

Think back to Crash Davis and Nuke LaLoosh in Bull Durham...

[SBXVII]

Would even looking at one of the older guys be an option so we can focus on other positions of need this year and resolve the "young WR" issue in 2012? If so who all will be available?

V.Jackson- might not get tagged should be FA
Ochocinco- might not be in Cinci next year
T.O.- might not be in Cinci either
TJ Houshmendzeda- thought he only signed a 1 yr deal

Anyone else?

[skins89moss]

No way we pick a WR with our 10th pick in the draft. We have other pressing needs at O-Line, D-Line and LB positions. We have Kelly coming back and with Austin coming on I think we may be ok. We must try to bring back Moss and maybe get a WR late in the draft. WR can be found in the later rounds. We have to get better 3-4 personnel to bring our defense up to at least 15th total defense to be successful. Offense will be better in 2nd season but that may depend on who is the QB in 2011 at the start.

[SBXVII]

^ Personally I have felt it's easier to get defensive players late in the draft but I keep hearing other say it's easier to get OL. I mention we need to atleast pick up a Center to replace Rabach and I'd like to see a RT who has the talent and knows what they are doing vs. seeing Heyer or hoping Brown doesn't get injured next yr. But again I'm being told you don't draft Centers and RT's so high in the draft.

One of my other concerns as a priority would be NT. Bryant did an admiral job and seemed to move well on his feet but radio announcers are saying he's a good back up. So perhaps a NT at #10.

I think it's obvious we need OL, NT, LB, FS, >not in any specific order although I'd still take OL or NT before the rest, and then you can pick you poison.... QB, WR, CB. There are also multiple people throwing out speculation that we will not retain about 5-6 people on defense so this year might be the yr we spend more there since we spent more on offense last yr. With the possibility of Carter, Rocky, Rogers, and a NT and FS needed you can see that might be where we start.

I think it still all depends on what we do in FA. The only problem there is if there is no CBA agreement then the draft would come first and the team would have to draft with the thought that we don't pick up anyone in FA, but if we do later then good for us. I like this thought process but most teams like to shop prior to the draft to see if they can fill any spots first.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

^ Personally I have felt it's easier to get defensive players late in the draft but I keep hearing other say it's easier to get OL. I mention we need to atleast pick up a Center to replace Rabach and I'd like to see a RT who has the talent and knows what they are doing vs. seeing Heyer or hoping Brown doesn't get injured next yr. But again I'm being told you don't draft Centers and RT's so high in the draft.

One of my other concerns as a priority would be NT. Bryant did an admiral job and seemed to move well on his feet but radio announcers are saying he's a good back up. So perhaps a NT at #10.

I think it's obvious we need OL, NT, LB, FS, >not in any specific order although I'd still take OL or NT before the rest, and then you can pick you poison.... QB, WR, CB. There are also multiple people throwing out speculation that we will not retain about 5-6 people on defense so this year might be the yr we spend more there since we spent more on offense last yr. With the possibility of Carter, Rocky, Rogers, and a NT and FS needed you can see that might be where we start.

I think it still all depends on what we do in FA. The only problem there is if there is no CBA agreement then the draft would come first and the team would have to draft with the thought that we don't pick up anyone in FA, but if we do later then good for us. I like this thought process but most teams like to shop prior to the draft to see if they can fill any spots first.

We have two natural centers playing guard. What we actually need are guards.

We have to see if there's DT project that high first.
It's admirable, not admiral.

[GTripp0012]

I think Malcolm Kelly can replace Santana Moss and would like to see Kelly come out of the slot like Marques Colston does with the Saints.

Moss can still be somewhat productive if he's resigned, but people are going WAY out of their way to make Moss seem more productive than he was this year. He had a number of very good games but was the lifeblood target of a passing offense that had no life. We sure could have done worse but we NEEDED to do better in his role. That's the mentality we need to take in to offseason.

There are a number of worse options than Moss out there, but this passing game needs to get better. I'd let him walk.

[30gut]

Our WR corps had good production this year.
Compared to other positions they as a unit have played above replacement level.
Not re-signing Moss just creates a hole at a place where there doesn't need to be one.

We have true needs at: QB, Center, 3-4 DE, depending on what happens w/ Jamaal Brown RT, NT, OG, LOLB

Realistically we're not going to be able to add more then 2-3 impact players to address the above needs.

Why add WR to the need list by not re-signing Moss?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Our WR corps had good production this year.
Compared to other positions they as a unit have played above replacement level.
Not re-signing Moss just creates a hole at a place where there doesn't need to be one.

We have true needs at: QB, Center, 3-4 DE, depending on what happens w/ Jamaal Brown RT, NT, OG, LOLB

Realistically we're not going to be able to add more then 2-3 impact players to address the above needs.

Why add WR to the need list by not re-signing Moss?

Let me put it this way: Moss is not a weakness for where we are as a team. He's a weakness for wherever we want to go with our passing game.

We clearly changed his role this year to a receiver that leads the league in targets in the passing offense. That essentially means we can only be as successful as the player in that role is at his craft. And Moss was...a little bit better than say, our defense, this year.

Trying someone else in the same role might lead to more struggles and a greater weakness at the receiver position, but could easily lead to a far more efficient offense.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Let me put it this way: Moss is not a weakness for where we are as a team. He's a weakness for wherever we want to go with our passing game.

We clearly changed his role this year to a receiver that leads the league in targets in the passing offense. That essentially means we can only be as successful as the player in that role is at his craft. And Moss was...a little bit better than say, our defense, this year.

Trying someone else in the same role might lead to more struggles and a greater weakness at the receiver position, but could easily lead to a far more efficient offense.

Yeah but that is absolutely not the fault of Moss. Moss had a great season, but you know what you got in Moss, a solid number 2 or slot reciever. Kyle and Shanny tryed multiple recievers with multiple sets. Santana easily picked up the offense and excelled in his role. Could other guys on the team stepped into and preformed his role, obviously not. Kelly on the bench and shown zero since he has been here. Santana helps this team much more than hurts. Do we need a number 1? Absolutely all day. But to say we need to replace Santana with someone else as well? I think first year in this offense and how he picked it up, plus he has put up solid number in really multiple bad offenses. He NEVER has drama and has been for the most part injury free. Yes to this offense needs a number 1 who is a red zone reciever and general playmaker...I wouldnt put that on Moss, I think he has earned an extention. If extending Moss for some reason denotes our offense as going in a bad direction, that sh*t is on Kyle then, not Moss.