Cerrato on Zorn

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.

Remember Snyder talking about "continuity" after Gibbs left?

I think Danny thought that they could win w/the roster they had, and basically told Vinny that he would have a lot of authority but that they had to keep Blatch, etc. At 6-2 in 2008, they both were probably thinking they had a good plan.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.

Fassel to be exact. But after the fan backlash to those rumors they went to plan B.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.

Zorn was desperate for an opportunity, he just had no idea what he was getting himself into. As for Vinny, he should have stayed packing when Schottenheimer origionally sent him.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Caller: "Vinny, would you draft Newton?" Vinny: "No, I wouldn't." Caller: "Ok, then I would."

Awesome. Well done, caller!

[Monkeydad]

Some artwork for y'all.

[CRedskinsRule]

nice

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Unless you have inside info im not aware of,and im not saying you dont,I just find it hard to believe that Zorns hire was all on Vinny.matter of fact theres no way i believe it,Snyder had to approve it,Vinny wouldnt have done it without Dans ok.And wasnt Snyder in most of the meetings with the candidates? Im not taking up for Vinnie,I just think Snyders to blame also

Well, and I think I've said this before, when Gibbs retired Snyder decided to give VC total control (and as I had heard it, two years). And while there others Fassel) Snyder would have preferred he decided to do what everyone wanted him to do and cede the decision making. So yeah he's ultimately to blame for ceding control to VC. And I guess ultimately his biggest fault in all of this was inaction

[skinsfaninok]

VC was a ****ing joke.. DS is still a ****ing joke. This organization is a joke in today's NFL

[Dirtbag59]

"Vinny, you need to stop running your mouth through the media. People are trying to forget you. You were able to make at least a couple of million dollars working for the Redskins effectively putting yourself in Karmic debt. Quit while your ahead."

[Longtimefan]

D.C. Sports Bog - Cerrato: Zorn was done in by his ego

[Defensewins]

Cerrato really IS STUPID!
I thought he just lacked skills to run an NFL Front Office, but the reality is he is showing the same lack of common sense people skills that Dan Snyder lacks, for example the City Paper lawsuit. The ability to turn the other cheek and keep your mouth shut escapes them. It is really easy to do...but your huge ego and lack of common sense wont let you keep your mouth shut.

[Dread-Skin]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Why do people still talk to Vinny? Seriously...

IDK, if it wasn't for him speaking about Redskins than Redskin fans wouldn't care what he is saying and he would have an audience/following of zero. Lets abolish using his name and never have to relive that cross eyed ****. I know it will take years to undo his ****ups but we have to start somewhere/time.

[skinsfaninok]

makes u wonder how little DS actually knows about football fml

[Hog1]

People question Bruce's hiring...........Pfft

[SolidSnake84]

This is a great discussion thread here. And reading some of the points from everyone has got me thinking here again.

I have to kind of be Devil's Advocate here, but I know i will get great responses from you guys, i always do.

I get the feeling that Vinny was being very honest about the Zorn situation. They hired him out of desperation from losing the other head coach candidates (Fassell, G. Williams), and felt that they had a good chance to win with the roster they had.

Thinking back to how bad the offense was back then does make me think Vinny is telling the truth. When Sherm arrived, the offense was night and day different, and it confirmed most of our suspicions that Jim Zorn was a horrible play caller. We know for sure Zorn had the chance to relenquish playcalling duties at least 3 weeks before Sherm got here, so what if?? What if Zorn could have swalloed his ego, took the help from Sherm sooner, and the team could have finished at 8-8??

Vinny hit the nail right on the head with Zorn being horrible with the media. Bashing the players on TV was not the right thing to do. It sounds to me like Dan Snyder gave Jim Zorn his fair share of chances to make things work. Cerrato sounds honest when he says they knew Jim was over his head and they were trying to get him help so that they could make things work.

I'm not defending Vinny, he still doomed this franchise, but hearing him say this, and remembering my own memories of "The Zorn Era" kind of makes me think that Cerrato was at least being honest when discribed our helpless former coach. It sounds like they knew mid-season that he wasn't gonna make it, and tried everything they could to get it to work with Zorn as the captain, but in the end, maybe Zorn's own ego/philosophy got in the way...just food for thought,.